The 'Burbs (1989)

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome, listener, to the return slot of. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Horror. [00:00:11] Speaker A: A podcast recorded by myself, Michelangelo, and Mickey in the basement of our video store. After hours, when the doors are locked, the vhs are rewound, and the moon is glowing pale blue on a brisk and breezy night, we like to hang out in the basement, light up a scented candle, crack open a drink, and discuss our beloved genre, horror. Every episode, we invite you to join us for a frosty libation as we discuss a film selected from one of our painstakingly curated subsections of the video store. That's right. For anyone unlucky enough to have grown up without an independent video store in their neighborhood. Mickey, can you elaborate on this, please? [00:00:47] Speaker C: Well, back in the day, back before there was streaming and even really before Blockbuster, there were these independent video stores. And to appease the appetites of movie nerds like myself, Michelangelo, Chris, they would fill their shelves with anything they get their hands, especially video nasties. These mom and pop shops are responsible for taking the horror genre from limited theater runs and late night drive ins to every rural town and suburb in America. [00:01:15] Speaker A: But what really made these video stores. [00:01:17] Speaker C: Special were the people working in the store, curating personalized sections based on their interests and the interests of their patrons. Recommendations based on conversations, man, not algorithms. [00:01:30] Speaker A: So here at the return slot, we. [00:01:33] Speaker C: Keep that spirit alive and strong. We hope you enjoy our sections and joining in our conversations. [00:01:43] Speaker A: It's good. It went a little angry there. Went a little angry. [00:01:47] Speaker C: I know. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Trump territory with this. [00:01:51] Speaker B: The best store. [00:01:52] Speaker A: It's the best. [00:01:55] Speaker C: Weird place there. I got mad at the streaming services. [00:01:59] Speaker B: For a minute. [00:02:02] Speaker A: As you should. Now I'm gonna warn the listener. This is a hangout drink and talk with Friends about movies podcast. That's what it is. This is about us and how we see ourselves reflected in these horror films, these genre films that we love so much that we hold dearly in our hearts. And that's what it is. So tonight, this week, we find ourselves in the suburbanoia. Is that right, Mickey? [00:02:35] Speaker C: Yes, suburban Oya. [00:02:36] Speaker B: That's correct. Yes. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Suburban. We're in the suburban Oya section of the video. [00:02:41] Speaker C: But you're saying it very much, like with a question mark. It's, it's, it's suburban oya. [00:02:45] Speaker A: It's, everybody knows suburbanoia. Hold on. Well, yes. Okay, so we're gonna, let's dive into that, Nikki, because tonight, before we get to the film tonight we are joined by etymology expert Chris. Chris, suburban Noya. Yes. I mean, when you came into the video store for the first time and you saw suburban Oya. Where did it make sense? What was there? [00:03:18] Speaker D: Well, first I'd like to say illegal streams are ruining this country. [00:03:23] Speaker C: There it is. [00:03:24] Speaker B: There it is. Uh, no. What the hell are we talking about? [00:03:33] Speaker A: They're very used. [00:03:36] Speaker D: So. Okay, explain. Wait, what is this? [00:03:40] Speaker A: Suburbanoi. Suburbia and paranoia. [00:03:45] Speaker B: Sort of. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Perfect. A perfect, like really. I don't think it's Mickey to credit you. I think Mickey, you're an original. You're hilarious, you're witty. I love you. And I think you created something here. [00:03:59] Speaker B: Suburban. I think I did too. [00:04:00] Speaker C: Suburbanoia. [00:04:01] Speaker D: I was confused when I came to. [00:04:02] Speaker B: The store because it's a hand painted. [00:04:06] Speaker D: Sign and you've got a dash between suburb and Noya and there's a lot above. O. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Sure. [00:04:18] Speaker D: So I don't know what that means. [00:04:21] Speaker A: But then I don't know half of. [00:04:23] Speaker D: What happens in here. [00:04:25] Speaker A: Yeah, Mickey, Mickey, you know, this is, this is after a long night of talking about horror films and drinking and finger painting a sign and the oomlot made sense at the time I thought. [00:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I improved in um. Lots. Yeah. [00:04:40] Speaker C: 5 hours of philosophizing and really talking about, you know, a suburban neighborhood and how you can, you know, sometimes you, you start to present the other, you know, bring people the other. And then you, you like with pitchforks and knives and so many horror films you bind together to fight the other when you are the other yourself. It's called suburbanoia. [00:05:04] Speaker D: Suburbanoia. That took us, that took us a. [00:05:09] Speaker C: Year to get to arrive to that word and answer. [00:05:12] Speaker A: It sums up everything. It's, it's. [00:05:16] Speaker D: You guys just both really enjoy being subs. Am I right? [00:05:20] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. That's what it is. [00:05:21] Speaker C: Yep, you got it. [00:05:26] Speaker A: And by and by that you mean dressing up like a delicious sandwich and being devoured by someone you love. [00:05:33] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:05:36] Speaker A: And they regret it. [00:05:37] Speaker C: They regret devouring you. [00:05:38] Speaker A: Oh God, that was too much. [00:05:40] Speaker D: You're leaning away from the kink and then you dove head. [00:05:42] Speaker A: Yeah, but you're right, Chris. [00:05:46] Speaker C: It is a foot long. [00:05:47] Speaker B: Hey. [00:05:48] Speaker C: No. [00:05:52] Speaker B: So, yeah, so tonight. Oh yeah, right. [00:05:55] Speaker A: I'm gonna saying this like as many times as possible tonight before we get to the film. What are we having to drink this evening, fellas? Mickey, what are you like you got ridiculous thing I've ever seen you drink in the basement. Where did you even get all of that? [00:06:14] Speaker D: What is this? [00:06:15] Speaker A: It's a brandy sniffner with like a Chicago hot dog inside of it or something. This is what you whipped together last minute. [00:06:23] Speaker C: You're like, I gotta make a drink. [00:06:24] Speaker B: I gotta make a cocktail. [00:06:25] Speaker C: I can't let Chris one up me. [00:06:28] Speaker A: This was last second, actually. So I reached it, grabbed an entire celery stalk, three olives, and a pickle. A Pittsburgh pickle and a pickle. [00:06:39] Speaker D: That took a lot of care. [00:06:40] Speaker A: A Pittsburgh pickle. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Oh, so this is a berb. [00:06:48] Speaker C: Un Mary. [00:06:52] Speaker D: Okay. That is a lot better than sub burnering. [00:06:58] Speaker B: So it's. It's. [00:07:00] Speaker A: It's bourbon. [00:07:01] Speaker B: You are odd tonight. Bourbon. [00:07:03] Speaker C: And it's bourbon. [00:07:04] Speaker A: Tomato juice. [00:07:05] Speaker B: It is. [00:07:05] Speaker A: It's bourbon. [00:07:06] Speaker C: Inside of actually, a very special type of tomato juice favorite. It's called a briny. It's called a Briney Mary mix. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Ooh. [00:07:17] Speaker C: It is made 15 minutes from my house. It is Pittsburgh's own special, like, tomato Bloody Mary mix. But they call it the Briny Mary, and it is delicious. And I prefer it. [00:07:30] Speaker A: Really, if you. [00:07:31] Speaker C: If you want to real treat people, go get you a nice gozer, I think. Is that how you say, or is. [00:07:36] Speaker A: It a goes goser? [00:07:37] Speaker B: Gozer, go. [00:07:38] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:07:40] Speaker A: From Ghostbusters. It goes, you want to go. You want to get a ghost. [00:07:46] Speaker C: And you cover Gozer and Briny Mary and slurp that down. And it's really pretty hot, right? [00:07:52] Speaker B: Goes. [00:07:52] Speaker A: Are those who. [00:07:53] Speaker C: Yeah, it was the hot one. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah, super hot. [00:07:55] Speaker B: Yeah, totally, like, bodysuit had that, like. [00:07:59] Speaker D: Little kid, like. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Ghostbusters. [00:08:08] Speaker C: It might have been the first time I saw a woman. [00:08:13] Speaker A: What is this feeling I feel inside? [00:08:16] Speaker C: But that haircut, too, was the first time I was, like, just really attracted to a woman with, like, a short little boycott. I loved it. Like, I was in. [00:08:27] Speaker A: I was in. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Goddess goes on. [00:08:31] Speaker A: God, I like the voice. [00:08:33] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:08:34] Speaker A: The voice. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. [00:08:44] Speaker C: So that's what I have. I have a bourbon Mary, in honor of the burbs. [00:08:49] Speaker A: What's the gozer thing you were saying? I'm sorry. No, like a goes a beer. [00:08:52] Speaker C: Like a goes a beer. [00:08:54] Speaker B: Like, it's kind of. [00:08:55] Speaker C: Kind of salty and sour. It's like salt and sour, but they. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Spell it g o s e. I think it's goes or go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:09:04] Speaker D: I know what you're talking about. I don't know how to say it. [00:09:05] Speaker C: Yeah, I was born in the south. I'm mispronouncing it. I'm sure I wasn't actually born in the south. I was born in Honduras. [00:09:10] Speaker A: You were born south. [00:09:11] Speaker B: South. But. [00:09:13] Speaker C: But they. But you do that salty beer with that briny Mary mix. Oh, my gosh. It is, like, incredibly delicious. [00:09:22] Speaker A: And are you supposed to add bourbon as opposed to. [00:09:24] Speaker C: No, I did that because of the bourbon. Supposed I do that because of the burbs. So it'd be good. It's fine. It's fine. It's not the best. Bloody Mary, the brine. I'm really here to promote the Briney Mary mix. [00:09:40] Speaker B: People. [00:09:40] Speaker C: Go find Briny Mary mix. [00:09:41] Speaker A: It's incredible. So he had a spooky cocktail this evening. That's very exciting. He's got, like. That's a lot of, like. I really hope you eat the celery. Like, right, there you go. In the mic. [00:09:52] Speaker D: In the mic, yeah. Louder chew noises. [00:09:56] Speaker B: I'm not hearing any of that. [00:09:57] Speaker A: Not picking it up, actually, on the microphone. [00:10:01] Speaker D: Weird that you have two microphones in the basement to hear each other. You guys could probably just talk. [00:10:06] Speaker B: I could just do so. [00:10:07] Speaker C: It's like an AMSR thing. [00:10:09] Speaker B: All right, no worries. [00:10:09] Speaker C: Go on, continue. [00:10:10] Speaker B: Continue. [00:10:12] Speaker A: ASMR. It's implied that ASMR is. Pornograph is for porno, right? You don't use it for anything else, right? [00:10:21] Speaker B: No, nothing else. Just. Just for jerking off. [00:10:23] Speaker A: Speaking of porno, Chris. [00:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah, what. [00:10:28] Speaker A: What spoo did you prepare a spooky cocktail for this evening? [00:10:32] Speaker D: Oh, you know it, my friend. Oh, I have the white flight, because that's pretty much what this film is. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Do you want to explain that for anyone that it might be over their head? [00:10:49] Speaker B: For. [00:10:49] Speaker D: For those that don't know, white flight is the pretty much description of the creation of, uh, suburbs in the United States from white Americans fleeing urban centers because of having, uh, too many people that weren't white. [00:11:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:04] Speaker D: Or, like, you know, the one black. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Detective at the end. Yeah. [00:11:09] Speaker D: Uh, but the white flight is 2oz of orange juice, a half ounce of hot honey, a half ounce of a good american whiskey, of course, together, and then topped off with a nice american lager. [00:11:22] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:11:24] Speaker C: No egg white. [00:11:25] Speaker D: No egg white that way. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:27] Speaker D: Also, too, maybe next time. [00:11:31] Speaker A: You are on tonight, man. [00:11:36] Speaker D: Also, two of those you might recall in this film, Tom Hanks does drink orange juice while watching from his bed and does crush a lot of beer cans. [00:11:44] Speaker C: He does crush a lot of beer cans. [00:11:45] Speaker B: He does. [00:11:45] Speaker C: It's a very. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. [00:11:50] Speaker C: Oh, also, just one more about my drink. [00:11:55] Speaker A: It's about my cocktail. [00:12:00] Speaker C: No, I was gonna say the briny Mary mix, being a Pittsburgh local bloody Mary mix, also plays into the Mister Rogers of the movie, so a very Pittsburgh. You know, this movie's got that Pittsburgh type. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. [00:12:15] Speaker C: Michelangelo, what are you having? [00:12:18] Speaker A: Um, I am having some jester King german style pilsner. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Um, nice. [00:12:27] Speaker A: From Austin, Texas. [00:12:29] Speaker D: German via Austin. [00:12:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:32] Speaker A: I mean, who's going to make a better german pills than an Austin. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Austin cowboy? If you think about it, it's the. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Perfect beer for you, Mickey, considering your father's background with medieval. What it was called. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:46] Speaker A: Magical. [00:12:48] Speaker C: Madrigal. [00:12:50] Speaker A: Magical. [00:12:51] Speaker B: No, yeah. [00:12:54] Speaker A: A mouthful of pickle or something right now. [00:12:57] Speaker C: It was a mouthful of pickle. [00:12:58] Speaker B: All right, let's. [00:13:02] Speaker C: It's called people who are in inquirers understand this. [00:13:06] Speaker B: This is a type of middle medieval singing. [00:13:10] Speaker C: It was Madrigal. And Madrigal is like the style madrigal. [00:13:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:13:16] Speaker A: But it sounds, like, magical. [00:13:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:13:19] Speaker A: But if you go back, listen to our Halloween, some of our Halloween episodes, you can hear about Mickey's dad and him hooking him up with a full night outfit. But considering this is from Texas, just Jester King, you know, there's some medieval stuff for you there. German star Pilsner. [00:13:35] Speaker C: Very. [00:13:36] Speaker A: You know, there's connection. [00:13:37] Speaker B: Connection. [00:13:38] Speaker C: A lot of german immigrants in Texas, actually. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I was actually going to ask. [00:13:42] Speaker D: About that because, I mean, Scheiderbach. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:44] Speaker D: And that the whole thing that originates. German immigrants in Texas. [00:13:47] Speaker C: No. [00:13:50] Speaker B: Curious. [00:13:50] Speaker A: And of course, we got. What is this brother Theodore, who we'll get into later. [00:13:58] Speaker B: Fucking. Yeah. [00:13:59] Speaker A: Who's fucking German as fuck. [00:14:03] Speaker C: Right? Yeah. [00:14:05] Speaker A: I don't know what that means. [00:14:09] Speaker B: So tonight we are talking about Joe. [00:14:13] Speaker A: Dante's 1989 truly cult classic film, the Burbs. [00:14:20] Speaker D: Really? [00:14:21] Speaker B: Do you think? [00:14:21] Speaker A: Truly? Oh, it was brutalized upon its release. And it really, really. It's thanks to the home video rental store that this movie has a life. That's where it made all of its money is on vhs rentals. Okay. It was a huge hit on vhs, rent on the vhs rentals. But it was like. [00:14:44] Speaker B: Like a. [00:14:45] Speaker A: Financially, it wasn't, like, awful, but it was no success. And critically, it was. It was pretty much panned across the board. Dante is quoted as saying it's got, like, the worst review since minecomped, is what he said. [00:15:01] Speaker D: Wow, that's a bit overdramatic. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Well, it's interesting. [00:15:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it's less dramatic and more for comedic effect. [00:15:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:15:11] Speaker D: Comedy references. Nazis. [00:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:14] Speaker A: You know, it's really. Mel Brooks has done enough. So, Mickey. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:21] Speaker A: You chose this movie. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Sure. [00:15:23] Speaker A: For us to talk about. So why the burbs? And what is your history and relationship with the movie? [00:15:29] Speaker C: The Burbs is a movie that is within our circumference of probably half the films we've talked about. Are there references that we make to the burbs? So often when we are talking about it. And it's actually one that, when I even mentioned it to my wife, she didn't have any recollection of it. And for me, it's like one of those top ten films of my. Like, I'm guessing it was. It would predate junior high, so of my elementary age. And one that my. Cause I don't. I found myself a lot in the summers being with my grandparents and my mom's mom. My mimi always rented movies. Loved to go to the. To the rental store. That was how she entertained us. And I remember watching the burbs with her one summer, just like on repeat. And it was when we both loved a lot. And she would. She just thought that Tom Hanks was the cutest thing on earth. And she just thought the movie was just adorable. And I actually watching it back this time, I was like, I think that we were both. I think for my young sensibilities, it was helping kind of craft my sense of humor and my kind of, like, I understood the underlying message more than my mimi did, who I think, thought that the message was, you should be suspicious of your neighbors, these people. You don't want strangers and foreigners moving in. And it's funny to watch it back now and be like, yeah, but that's. [00:16:48] Speaker D: That's kind of where I was with my meme. [00:16:49] Speaker C: I was like, you know what I think my meme, he thinks this is. [00:16:51] Speaker A: Like, a good thing. [00:16:54] Speaker C: It's like, see, we're vindicated. You gotta suspect. Which is one of my hangups about the film, but. [00:16:59] Speaker A: But we will compromise ending. [00:17:03] Speaker C: But that's my history of it. And, you know, I don't know if you guys watched inner space, too, but. [00:17:07] Speaker A: This is, you know what? But I also love rotation of my house. [00:17:11] Speaker C: I loved inner space as well. And, you know, we did Gremlins two recently. And I'm just. I'm finding that Joe Dante had a bigger influence on me as a kid than I remembered him having. And just, I love going back and watching these. These films of his. You know, we'll get into, like, where they might fail, but as far as just nostalgia. God, man, it really worked on me watching it the other day. I was so happy to pull this movie out and watch it again. [00:17:43] Speaker A: That is a beautiful story with you and your. [00:17:46] Speaker B: Your. Me ma me me me. [00:17:49] Speaker A: I'm sorry. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:51] Speaker A: What. What video store did you guys go to? [00:17:53] Speaker C: We went to, I don't know. [00:17:55] Speaker B: It would be. [00:17:55] Speaker C: If anybody knows the video store that was in Bonham, Texas, circa, you know, late eighties, early nineties that would be it. Because it was her we were visiting. Always her in Bonham, Texas. And it was very small town. What you store look like? [00:18:12] Speaker A: Do you remember anything about the video store? It was. [00:18:15] Speaker C: It was definitely a mom and pop. It was not a blockbuster or anything like that. I can't even think what the name is, but it was. [00:18:22] Speaker B: It was just not very big. [00:18:24] Speaker C: It was in a shopping mall. [00:18:26] Speaker B: It had, like, you know, there may. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Have been a chain that my mimi just didn't go to. Cause that would be my mimi. My mimi's like, no, we don't go to the chains. [00:18:34] Speaker B: But, um. [00:18:35] Speaker C: But, yeah, I mean, that was. I. Monster squad was the first rental that I rented there. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:40] Speaker C: Um, rented. Uh, I convinced that you've heard the story a million times, but I convinced her to rent it's alive because I was like, it's unrated, so it's got to be like, you know, it's lower than g. And we got 15 minutes into it, and both of us were, like, freaking out of our minds and stopped it and pulled out that she's like, we. I am so sorry. I'm like, it's not your fault. [00:19:06] Speaker A: I was one who said we should get it. [00:19:08] Speaker C: I was like, it had a cool cover, but, yeah. [00:19:10] Speaker A: So I don't. [00:19:11] Speaker C: I cannot. Unfortunately, I cannot think of the name or remember every detail of it. But I do know that it was like a small little rental shop that had all the. [00:19:20] Speaker B: All the. [00:19:21] Speaker C: Had the burps and it had monster squad and had all my little. [00:19:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:26] Speaker B: And it's live. [00:19:28] Speaker A: It's Larry Cohen, right? It's live. [00:19:30] Speaker B: It's alive. I don't know. [00:19:34] Speaker C: I wasn't prepared to talk about that. [00:19:37] Speaker A: I think it's Larry Cohen. [00:19:39] Speaker B: You just. [00:19:39] Speaker A: You peaked my entrance. Finally, you piqued my interest. 1974. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:50] Speaker A: Larry Cohen. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:52] Speaker A: That is hilarious that you rented it's alive with your grandmother. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:00] Speaker A: It's very telling of the type of video store that you were going to at that with her. You know what I mean? I would love to have seen that video store. [00:20:09] Speaker C: And, you know, I'm now even looking at the COVID of it's alive. I'm wondering if she thought she was getting Rosemary's baby or something, because she loved Rosemary's baby. [00:20:18] Speaker B: And she was probably like, oh, this. [00:20:19] Speaker C: Is, like, gonna be like, Rosemary's baby or something. And I'm looking at. And its rating is like, it is. It's rated pg, so I don't know why. [00:20:26] Speaker A: Maybe there was an unrated version PG in 1974. A little a little different. [00:20:31] Speaker D: Yeah, very different. [00:20:32] Speaker B: But, yeah. [00:20:33] Speaker C: So, anyway. Or maybe I'm misremembering, but. But it was. But, yes, this is. The burbs was in that series of movies over a summer in which my mimi and I bonded over films, which I think was because she didn't want to go out and throw the baseball. [00:20:46] Speaker B: With me, to be honest, which I'm. [00:20:49] Speaker C: Happier for, to be honest. I'm not playing baseball today. [00:20:52] Speaker B: I'm talking about these movies I've had. [00:20:55] Speaker A: Some of the most. Like, my childhood bonding with my father was always through film. [00:21:01] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Like, that was how we bonded. So I think bonding through, like, movies and cinema and film, it's like a special thing, you know, because it's. Especially when it's something with humor like this, where the humor is so specific and original, and you bond over that, and I think that's a connection you have. Oh, for sure. [00:21:22] Speaker B: For sure. Yeah. [00:21:23] Speaker C: You know, my mom and Campbell have their little movies they watch together. You know, they. My mom's so funny. She doesn't know what Netflix and chill is. And she's like, Campbell, we should just Netflix and chill one day. And Campbell's like, we should not Nana. [00:21:35] Speaker B: We should definitely not Netflix. But. [00:21:40] Speaker C: But she. She had never seen coming to America, and she was like, oh, you'll love it. [00:21:45] Speaker A: Whoa. [00:21:46] Speaker C: I know. And she put it on, and, you know, you guys, topless scenes in the beginning. [00:21:50] Speaker A: Oh, that's right. [00:21:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:21:54] Speaker C: And Nana was like, she's like, I had forgotten this. I thought this was, like, a nice little comedy, and I'm like, oh, it's great. And Campbell loved it. [00:22:03] Speaker B: He thought it was great. [00:22:06] Speaker A: So, Chris, what's your. What's your history and relationship with the burps? [00:22:11] Speaker D: Oh, man, I do not remember. I mean, I can tell you this much, you know, uh, if you're of a certain age and a time of cable, and if you had WGN or TBS, you have probably seen the burbs, because nauseam. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Okay. [00:22:29] Speaker D: But, I mean, I definitely remember watching it multiple times in that video store experience. I'm sure I probably had one with it whenever I was a kid, but I was probably so young that I don't really recall it very well. Um, definitely something that watched with the family, though, for sure. And this was definitely one of those films that was in heavy rotation around the house, I think. Mickey, to your point, it is interesting to kind of, like, realize, like, yeah. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Joe Dante was actually, well played a. [00:22:56] Speaker D: Big part of, like, whenever you're a kid between, like, to your point, inner space was a one saw tons. I mean, they play on Comedy Central all the time whenever I was a little kid. And of course, Gremlins. It's just funny to think about that. [00:23:08] Speaker B: But, yeah, I mean, this is a film. [00:23:09] Speaker D: I haven't seen this, though. I mean, sat down and watched the whole thing in its entirety since, I mean, years. You know what I mean? Like, it's been forever. So it's definitely interesting to watch it again into, like, one. [00:23:21] Speaker B: Like, see a lot of things that. [00:23:23] Speaker D: I hadn't seen before, but that we can get into that later. But then also, too, I feel like. I feel like I could have sketched you out the plot without, you know, having watched it a long time, easily. You know what I mean? Definitely funny to see some little. Little jokes that I missed. [00:23:41] Speaker B: Michelangelo, how about you? [00:23:44] Speaker A: My first experience with this film was interesting because kind of like, what you were saying, chris, it was on. It was like, it was on tv a lot. So my first experience was. [00:23:57] Speaker B: And something. [00:23:58] Speaker A: To note is, though, Hanks made this movie, and during the filming of this, becomes a huge famous person, right? She shoots big before this. It's released midway through its production at the burbs. So he experiences that big jump while he's filming this. So it's like, it's like they really. They got lucky being able to get him to do this film. And needless to say, I was a huge. When I was a kid, I was in that pocket of, like, big is the best movie ever. [00:24:35] Speaker B: Tom Hanks, great. [00:24:36] Speaker A: Awesome at everything. He's hilarious. So anyway, so, you know, Tom Hanks is like a. A cultural thing in my life as this very funny man. And one night I go downstairs and if you've listened to the podcast a lot, you'll know that, like, I was very scared of any. I was scared of fraggle rock as a kid. I was scared. I was very easy. I couldn't get through monster squad like, it. Movies scare. I was not into scary movies as a kid. So I come downstairs and it happens on the scene where he's having the nightmare, right? Where he's walking down. It's where he's walking down the staircase, and it's like the chainsaw comes through and talking about brilliant, brilliant, like production design and like film, it's just like, cuts the family photo in half and. [00:25:26] Speaker B: He'S the half that falls. [00:25:28] Speaker A: And it's very funny and very good and technically amazing. So that's the scene. I'm like, oh, I get lured into a false sense of safety because it's like, oh, it's big. It's the guy. It's my friend from big. It's the child. Man child from big. This is great. I love this. And then running away and then eventually catching bits and pieces of it and piecing together this, like, nightmarish scene, I saw into this, like, hilarious movie from this guy who really should have had, like, more of a, like, in my opinion, more of, like, a spielbergian type of run in his filmmaking. He just. I agree. [00:26:18] Speaker B: It's. [00:26:18] Speaker A: Sometimes these great filmmakers just, they don't. [00:26:20] Speaker B: Make enough bucks, you know what I mean? [00:26:23] Speaker A: And it's like, his movies are brilliant. I love them. His sense of humor is fantastic. So that's sort of like my origin story with it. And then, like, it's the movie put on. [00:26:39] Speaker B: I watch it. I watch it a lot. I watch it a lot. [00:26:43] Speaker A: It's like, really, this movie gives me, like, when it's, like, Friday or Saturday night and I want to watch a movie, right? It's like, most of the time, what I want, right. Not from this isn't film. This isn't cinema. This is a movie. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:58] Speaker A: And this. And this, to me, is everything I want from a movie. It is funny, it's exciting, it's thrilling. It's a little scary. It's got actors. I really like giving, like, brilliant performances, and it's, it's, it's tone. Dante's great at this. Its tone is, like, perfect, in my opinion. Um, this, this is, like, for me, a perfect movie, except for the ending that doesn't quite stick. And we'll get into that later real quick. [00:27:27] Speaker D: Perfect movie today, you mean, or back then? [00:27:30] Speaker A: Like, across the board? Across the board. Across the board. [00:27:33] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Okay. Once. Once I get sort of over my hump of, like, being a little too scared by things, right. I think if I had seen the whole thing in context, I wouldn't have been so scared. I would have been okay with it. But, like, it's, it's, it's all of the thrills and excitement that I want when I go. When I go see a movie. You know what I mean? And if I could, like, reach, like, I want to recreate that feeling every time on, like, a Friday or. [00:28:00] Speaker B: It's. It. [00:28:00] Speaker A: I've talked about this before, that excitement of a Friday or Saturday night when you're a kid, like, like, pizza and soda and. Or beer or whatever, you know, just like, it's just like, just good times, you know? And I can watch. I could watch scenes. I can watch segments. I can jump in at any point. This movie is just, like, really fantastic in that way for me. [00:28:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:22] Speaker C: And, you know, going on Joe Dante, just a little bit. [00:28:25] Speaker B: Just one of the things that I think makes this movie so palatable even today. Right. [00:28:31] Speaker C: Like, some of it, I don't think all of its age, that will as well. [00:28:35] Speaker B: But. [00:28:36] Speaker C: But one thing that does play is his comedic timing with the camera. And one thing that I love, love, love is, is when a film. And it's. [00:28:46] Speaker B: It's. [00:28:46] Speaker C: You see it a lot in films about kids fighting monsters. And this one, I think, has the same, similar elements where the mundane thing, something as simple as I'm going over that fence, right. Turns into epic phrase, and you were, like, swelled up and you're like, oh, here it comes. Okay, they've made a decision. They're making a stand. They're going to find out if he's. [00:29:07] Speaker B: In there or not. [00:29:08] Speaker C: To take the mundane and small things. [00:29:10] Speaker B: Of our lives, of our everyday, and. [00:29:13] Speaker C: To give them that movie magic, to me, is something Joe Dante does really well. And other films do it as well, but it's. It's what makes movies magical. Because, yes, you can make the Statue of Liberty walk through downtown, you know, Manhattan, and yes, you can blow up every, you know, universe in the world if your universe in the universe is, you know, whatever, in the galaxies. [00:29:36] Speaker B: But. [00:29:37] Speaker C: But to make a simple statement of, I'm gonna go spy on my neighbors, feel like, as epic as any of those things, that's. That's movie magic to me. That's real movie magic because it's. It's making you feel this swell of emotion. It's making you feel something for something that is so silly and mundane. [00:29:54] Speaker B: And I. [00:29:54] Speaker C: And I I just think Joe Dante is really good at that. [00:29:57] Speaker B: And I. [00:29:57] Speaker C: And I love his camera pushes it where he pushes in when he decides to. When he doesn't, when he pushes in on the little dog space, when they're. [00:30:03] Speaker A: All like, western zoom in and they go in on so good. Which, by the way, do. [00:30:10] Speaker B: Do we do. [00:30:11] Speaker A: Do you guys recognize that dog? [00:30:13] Speaker B: Darla? Yes, precisely. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Queenie. [00:30:15] Speaker B: Pretty. [00:30:15] Speaker A: She's precious. She's in peewee's big adventure. She's in. Coming to America. She's in and she's in balance. [00:30:24] Speaker B: Sounds of the lamb. [00:30:25] Speaker A: Was that the first one? I know I didn't say that, but. But, yeah. Yes, Queenie. [00:30:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:29] Speaker C: Sounds like returns. [00:30:31] Speaker D: Is that what you said the last one? [00:30:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:32] Speaker A: She's in Batman returns. [00:30:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:34] Speaker A: There's, like, there's the, like, bimbo ii type of lady in that movie. And I believe she has a dog. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Like. Yeah. [00:30:42] Speaker D: Okay. [00:30:45] Speaker A: Career was in Erie, Indiana. And I love Erie. [00:30:49] Speaker C: Love. I love Erie, Indiana, you know? [00:30:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:53] Speaker A: And Erie, Indiana. [00:30:55] Speaker C: Joe Dante. [00:30:56] Speaker A: Joe Dante. I loved that show as a kid. [00:30:59] Speaker C: Erie, Indiana. [00:30:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:00] Speaker D: Do you think he requested the dog? [00:31:02] Speaker B: Probably. I bet you. [00:31:04] Speaker A: I mean, he, he uses a cast of people that he likes to reuse. [00:31:09] Speaker C: He goes back to a. [00:31:10] Speaker D: Well, that is definitely true. [00:31:15] Speaker B: And I love, like, I love that. [00:31:19] Speaker A: Like, as an adult, I love the deeper meaning of this film, like the. The fear of the other and the paranoia and the xenophobia. And what lies beneath the surface of the american dream is sort of like, what's story, man. [00:31:36] Speaker D: This movie. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Well, no, no, I know, I know. [00:31:39] Speaker B: And what we'll get. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Tommy, think about Tom Hanks's monologue at the end of the film and think about, like, what was originally intended versus what they had to film. Because it's like, you can't kill Tom Hanks. [00:31:50] Speaker B: Well, I. I. Hold on. Hold on, Mickey. Hold on 1 second. [00:31:55] Speaker A: And also. [00:31:55] Speaker B: Yes, Chris. [00:31:57] Speaker A: It's about what I take away from it, and it's about what I. What I put into it. [00:32:00] Speaker C: Thank you, sir. Yes, the writers. There is an underlying awareness that the writers have put in that we know. [00:32:11] Speaker B: That, that what is, what I think. [00:32:14] Speaker C: Is one of the best motions of this film that it's going in is that we are making, you know, the kilopex kind of the victims of the Petersons and the Rumsfelds and the. What's the other art. The wine gardeners world. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:32] Speaker C: Yeah. The Klopeks are the victims of these people because their yards originally. [00:32:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:38] Speaker C: And originally. [00:32:39] Speaker B: Right. [00:32:40] Speaker A: They keep themselves. [00:32:42] Speaker C: And I love that that builds up. And then when Tom Hanks is being the great guy that he is, he's saying no word. [00:32:49] Speaker A: He does a speech. [00:32:50] Speaker C: You know, it's like these nice people we have completely ruined. [00:32:53] Speaker B: And then in that last little moment. [00:32:56] Speaker C: To flip it around, be like they were the whole time, that's where this movie falls apart in a modern lens. That's where the movie kind of, it's like you're working with such great momentum to tell such a really great story. [00:33:08] Speaker B: And then you kind of, you kind. [00:33:11] Speaker C: Of like, turn your back on what you're doing at the end of the movie. And I, and I, and I've seen the alternative ending. I know that they wrote from that. But they also have the alternative ending. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Which I think is even better, where. Well, it is. [00:33:27] Speaker C: But they give Doctor Klopp this, his own monologue moment where he's like, where they can still make him the villain, but they make him say what we're all thinking, which is like, we all want this. We all want quiet. We all want solitude. We all want to be in these. [00:33:39] Speaker B: Places, too, you know? [00:33:41] Speaker C: And he just happens to be a killer as well. [00:33:43] Speaker B: But that's what kind of makes it. [00:33:45] Speaker A: Fall apart, that message, right? [00:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But it's like. [00:33:49] Speaker C: But the movie was working with such great momentum and could be when these things were, like, such a great tale. [00:33:55] Speaker B: That, you know, in the final act, you. You basically, you take all this. [00:34:02] Speaker C: The air out of the balloon. [00:34:05] Speaker B: You like, well, let's get. Let's get. [00:34:08] Speaker A: We'll talk more about the final act, but kind of, like, stick with some of the themes while we're in conversation. [00:34:16] Speaker B: But that. [00:34:17] Speaker A: You guys are seeing me flip through my notes here and I can't fucking find. But the thing I often think of when watching this is Tom Waits. [00:34:29] Speaker B: What is he building that song? [00:34:31] Speaker A: Do you guys know that song? [00:34:32] Speaker B: What is he. [00:34:33] Speaker C: I don't know that. [00:34:33] Speaker A: There from 1999. It's this fantastic, sort of, like, spoken poetry song with this, like, industrial, scary kind of music playing underneath. And it's about. So Tom Waits is this guy, and he has this neighbor, and it's like. [00:34:51] Speaker B: There's weird. [00:34:52] Speaker A: It's like the beginning of the film when Tom Hanks sort of walks. Steps into his neighbor's yard and he sees all the lights and the sounds coming from the basement. [00:35:01] Speaker B: That's. [00:35:01] Speaker A: That's essentially what the song is. It's like this guy keeps to himself and he's. He has weird subscriptions to magazines and he's building something in there. [00:35:11] Speaker B: And I don't. [00:35:11] Speaker A: He keeps to himself and he's. [00:35:13] Speaker B: And like, just when I was younger. [00:35:16] Speaker A: Listening to that, I'm like, oh, this is scary. And that guy, whoever that guy is who's building the things in there, he's evil. And now I sort of like. I'm like, oh, Tom Wade singing the song. [00:35:28] Speaker B: He's. [00:35:30] Speaker A: He's the weird guy, right? He becomes obsessed with his neighbor because his neighbor, like, isn't, like, sharing, I guess. He isn't. You know, it's. [00:35:39] Speaker B: It's that. [00:35:40] Speaker A: Sort of like the fear of the unknown. Speaker two. Right. The fear of the unknown. And off. But also like this sort of like you often find in life, my experience has been, is the people who are a little more standoffish and little rough around the edges, they tend to be the honorable, loyal, trustful, like people who, if you're lucky enough to know you keep them in your life forever. And this fallacy, this sort of suburban, sort of like, oh, we're neighbors, and we smile and we say hello. But what's lurking beneath the surface of all of this? [00:36:21] Speaker B: I wanted to ask you guys if. [00:36:24] Speaker A: You currently are or if you grew up with sort of like, that neighbor in your neighborhood or that house in your neighborhood of, like, this is the scary house or this is the scary family, and they're weird and they're different or something like that. [00:36:41] Speaker D: Not really. Like, there was, like, a scary house, I feel like, in the neighborhood I grew up in. But it was also because it was, like, abandoned for a long time, that type of thing. And when you're a little kid, it's that way to you, I think. But, like, I think to the adults, it wasn't. You know what I mean? [00:36:58] Speaker B: But no, yeah. [00:36:58] Speaker D: I don't really have a relatable experience in that regard, but I've also never really, like, lived anywhere. Like, where I live right now today is probably the most, like, suburban, like, you know, your neighbors point that I've ever been in. And even then, like, no one really gives a shit, you know what I mean? To that level of detail. [00:37:17] Speaker B: You know, I thought. [00:37:18] Speaker A: I thought while watching this, and, Chris, you can stop me. This is your story to tell if you want. [00:37:23] Speaker B: But I remember when you bought your. [00:37:26] Speaker A: First house in Kansas City. [00:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:29] Speaker A: You had that neighbor that came up to you who sort of was like, who gave you all the gossip. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Who. [00:37:38] Speaker D: Was like, yeah, yeah. [00:37:39] Speaker B: And then. [00:37:39] Speaker A: And then you look very interesting character. And then you literally were next to people who were quite interesting, and some very dramatic and, uh, eventful things happened. [00:37:52] Speaker D: Oh, well, yeah. So that was like. So my first house was definitely, like a real blue collar working neighborhood. And, like, a lot of the houses, you know, were not great, which is a starter home for me. So, I mean, like, you can imagine kind of, like, you know, west starter home is definitely price point and quality wise kind of thing. [00:38:08] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:38:10] Speaker A: I do remember it. The front and the main level of the house reminded me very much of, like, Dennis Hopper's house in speed. [00:38:21] Speaker D: Oh, man. [00:38:23] Speaker A: Like a craftsman style. Like, seventies. Like. [00:38:29] Speaker B: Like, it was like a. [00:38:30] Speaker D: It was like an old school, like, 10 zero year old cinder block foundation home. And, like. Yeah, like a real working class neighborhood. But, like, my next door neighbors were like, they were nice people, but they were, like, kind of crazy. Like, there's the. The dad was cool, but then he had a son that was like, you know, definitely a fuck up that like, lived at home and like, was weird. And then eventually I think what Michelangelo's referencing is one night I was asleep in my bed and like suddenly, like, I heard this big, like, uh, like big almost like explosion. And like, I had an issue with my water heater, so at first, like, I thought it was my water heater. So I went downstairs and was fine. And I look out my front yard and I had a fence, and there's a giant piece of my fence missing. And I stepped out of my front porch and a guy got drunk and high and forced his girlfriend wife to ride with him. [00:39:20] Speaker B: And he, I don't know if he. [00:39:21] Speaker D: Passed out or if he was driving, but he drove through my yard and then into my neighbor's house and was ejected through my neighbor's window into his bedroom at like two in the morning. [00:39:33] Speaker C: Oh my God. [00:39:34] Speaker D: My old man neighbor was a nice guy, was like, wakes up to like his house falling in on him. [00:39:40] Speaker B: Oh my. [00:39:43] Speaker D: Through the window, through the, into his house. [00:39:45] Speaker C: Did he, like, did, did he fight, go through the window onto his bed with him? [00:39:49] Speaker D: Like onto the floor? [00:39:50] Speaker A: Like he gets up and there's like. [00:39:52] Speaker D: A guy on his floor and there's like drywall falling in on him. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:56] Speaker A: Like, how does the guy do? [00:39:59] Speaker D: He gets up and like, you know, he goes outside. Like, he checks on the guy and the guy's like groggily alive, all cut up from the glass, but alive. [00:40:07] Speaker B: So he goes, that's crazy. [00:40:09] Speaker A: He goes through the fucking windshield. Yeah, through this house and here the window. [00:40:17] Speaker C: You want to be really drunk, they say, because like your body's kind of. [00:40:20] Speaker A: Loosey goosey and it, I've heard this. [00:40:24] Speaker B: I've really heard this. [00:40:25] Speaker C: So kids out there get drunk. [00:40:28] Speaker A: I get, as I the podcast, and I get behind the wheel of this podcast. [00:40:34] Speaker B: Yeah, it lands perfectly. [00:40:37] Speaker D: So anyway, yeah, my neighbor goes outside and his, like, the guy's like, girlfriend, wife of the driver is like trapped in the car and it's on fire, which then catches his house on fire. And they're like trying to get her out of the car. And then the cops and the paramedics show up and they have to extinguish the car. Meanwhile, the guy who is the driver tries dragging his like, half dead body through my neighbor's house through his back door. So there's like a trail of like blood, like through this house. [00:41:09] Speaker A: Oh my God, this poor guy. [00:41:11] Speaker D: And so the cops like, have to pick him up and arrest them. So all that to be said, it was, it was quite the experience. [00:41:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:18] Speaker C: It's so wild. [00:41:19] Speaker A: And dealing with insurance was fun, I bet. Trying to get your property fixed properly. And mine was fine. [00:41:26] Speaker D: I think he had a bit of an experience. I got a picture of the car on fire next to the house. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Oh. Can you share that with Mickey? Social media? [00:41:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Oh, boy. [00:41:38] Speaker B: Wow. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Oh, thanks for sharing that. I wasn't sure. [00:41:44] Speaker D: It was quite the night. [00:41:48] Speaker A: Uh, Mickey, did you grow up, uh, with or currently have any, um, like, scary house in the neighborhood, or. [00:41:55] Speaker C: I have a. You know, it's kind of a sad story. I actually hate it, uh, because it's. It's really sad. [00:42:00] Speaker A: But I grew up. [00:42:01] Speaker C: I grew up in a neighborhood, um, called town. Oak circle was a little. It was a little cul de. We lived in a cul de sac, um, and in this. And so right. Right next to the cul de sac was, like, some. [00:42:14] Speaker B: I don't. [00:42:15] Speaker C: They're not really apartments. They're more like townhomes, but they're just right outside of the. Of the neighborhood. And there was a young man there that was. That had burnt himself when he was young. So he had visible, like, burn scars all over his face and hands. [00:42:34] Speaker B: Very sad. But he kept himself for obvious reasons. [00:42:40] Speaker C: But the amount of rumors and goths that surrounded him, of course. [00:42:45] Speaker A: Right? [00:42:46] Speaker C: And all the neighbors were all, like, told all the kids, don't go near him. He's a pyromaniac. He set his whole family on fire, and none of this stuff was true. You know, he was a kid who's a burn victim, you know? [00:42:57] Speaker A: But, like, what we do, right? What these. With neighbors do, what people do in general, how they, like, start making assumptions and, like, build this, like, mountain off of no evidence whatsoever. And, like, how these things turn into these, like, awful. Like, well, yeah. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Oh. [00:43:18] Speaker C: And they become truths. [00:43:20] Speaker B: That's the. [00:43:20] Speaker C: That's the hard thing, you know? It's like, that's what's crazy about it, because, like, I mean, it wasn't until I got older and. And realized the type of family and neighbors I grew up around that I put together and sussed together that. [00:43:32] Speaker B: Mickey, you just. [00:43:34] Speaker C: You were blindly following what you were told. Because kids do. [00:43:39] Speaker B: But. [00:43:41] Speaker C: But they represented what the burbs represent. [00:43:46] Speaker B: You know, if they didn't make. [00:43:47] Speaker A: They didn't make the Peterson's the heroes, you know, they didn't make them the hero. [00:43:51] Speaker C: That that's what was represented around me growing up was like, these. This person is different. We make ourselves feel better when somebody's different by making them. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Some. [00:44:02] Speaker C: They are bad. They are wrong. You don't want to associate with them. [00:44:05] Speaker A: You don't. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So that was ours. And then as an adult, uh, you. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Know, I'm not gonna go too great a detail, because these people are still living and neighbors of mine. But, um, we had. We had a neighbor. [00:44:20] Speaker B: We. [00:44:20] Speaker C: Our bedroom is on a second floor, and we have these giant old, uh, windows that. [00:44:25] Speaker A: Mickey lives in a mansion. Mickey lives in an old mansion. [00:44:28] Speaker B: It can. [00:44:28] Speaker C: It can oversee the entire neighborhood. And we had a person across. Yeah, but we had a person across the street who. Who, uh, one of their kids always. [00:44:39] Speaker B: Walked out of the house with, like. [00:44:41] Speaker C: A super high powered pellet gun, just all the time. And I would constantly see this person coming out of the house, that high powered pellet gun. [00:44:52] Speaker B: And I was like, what the hell? [00:44:54] Speaker C: So I told my kids, I was like, listen, I don't know what's going on, but you see somebody with a high powered pellet gun just kind of steer clear, you know? And then one day, I heard some, you know, shots from the pellet gun, and I was like, what the hell is this kid doing? And then, sure enough, it was, like, late night. [00:45:11] Speaker B: One night, I hear tons of cop. [00:45:13] Speaker C: Cars flying into our neighborhood, and they're arresting that kid. [00:45:18] Speaker B: Oh, shit. [00:45:19] Speaker C: I don't know the story. I don't know anything really about it. [00:45:23] Speaker B: Um, but. [00:45:24] Speaker C: But, yeah, it was, like, a thing that, like, it was months leading up to it. I was just, like, told my kids. [00:45:28] Speaker B: I was like, listen, if you see. [00:45:29] Speaker C: Somebody walking around with a high powered pelican just willy nilly in this. In a suburb like this, oh, buddy, steer clear, you know? So I'm sure that other neighbors of mine have probably put together some kind of story of what went down, but I'm here to say, I don't know what the case of it was, but, yeah, cops came in and arrested that kid. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Well, we know he's. [00:45:56] Speaker D: Not black, because then he would have been shot. [00:45:59] Speaker C: And also, I didn't. [00:46:00] Speaker B: I didn't. I didn't say. I didn't say it was a he. Oh. [00:46:06] Speaker C: Now I'm gonna. I see. This is how I'm gonna get in trouble. The one person that listens our podcast is that one neighbor. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:16] Speaker C: So anyway. But, yeah, that was. [00:46:19] Speaker B: That's. That's it. [00:46:19] Speaker C: That's been it in my life. And then we have, you know, we obviously, I don't know if you guys had this, but with a house that has the ghosts. So, you know, not our house, but we have the house on the block that everybody says is haunted. And. And families don't live there for more, for more than, like, two or three years, and then they always resell. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Well, you also don't you have, like, a ghost in your basement? [00:46:39] Speaker B: We have. [00:46:39] Speaker C: We have a. We have some redheaded woman in our basement. Now, here's the thing, right? [00:46:44] Speaker A: Mickey's wife, Molly. [00:46:45] Speaker D: Your wife in the basement? Is that what you're trying to. [00:46:49] Speaker A: She's a ghost. [00:46:50] Speaker D: She's got a real ghost in the basement. [00:46:52] Speaker A: Don't listen to her cries. [00:46:54] Speaker C: I've got a life size cardboard cutout over that put in the basement in the corner. And all of our neighbors and kids think that we have ghost eerily. Looks like Molly. [00:47:05] Speaker B: No, I'm kidding. No, that. [00:47:06] Speaker C: But they have said that there are ghosts in this place. This place is over 100 years old. [00:47:10] Speaker B: It's had. [00:47:11] Speaker C: It's had people come and go, and it's had people die in this house. And so I'm sure if there is such a thing as a house being haunted, mine is haunted. [00:47:18] Speaker D: Isn't it funny how it's always like, oh, you know, that house has ghosts because it's old. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [00:47:24] Speaker A: It's like, okay, but I agree, right? [00:47:28] Speaker C: Somebody has to die there, okay. And then their soul has to, you know, attach itself to the house. [00:47:34] Speaker A: You know, these rules. Chris movies. Yeah. Rich people get into some fucking crazy shit, cuz, you know, they're untouchable. [00:47:44] Speaker C: Yeah, well, there's been a couple times. There been a couple times. I think that a ghost was, like, grinding up on me in my sleep. [00:47:51] Speaker D: Did you get a ghost blow job? [00:47:52] Speaker C: I think so. [00:47:53] Speaker B: I'm pretty sure I did. [00:47:56] Speaker A: That coincided when I had a sleepover at the house. [00:48:00] Speaker B: No, that was you. [00:48:01] Speaker A: That's unrelated. It's unrelated. [00:48:04] Speaker B: Well, you can lay it. [00:48:05] Speaker D: You kept singing. Busting makes me feel good. [00:48:15] Speaker A: What is the. [00:48:15] Speaker C: What is the Gutenberg movie? Where the ghost. [00:48:20] Speaker B: Oh, fuck. [00:48:21] Speaker A: We've talked about Leon. [00:48:22] Speaker B: What's the name of that one? [00:48:25] Speaker A: I still. God damn it. At some point. Anyway, do you guys find that you fit the stereotype of one of these neighbors in, like, your neighborhood? Yes, actually. We can't believe you got this long without talking about Bruce Stern. I feel like. [00:48:50] Speaker C: I think that people think I am the Bruce Dern. I don't know that I am the Bruce Dern. [00:48:54] Speaker A: I think that you funny and nice and self facing and people think I'm the Bruce Dern. [00:49:01] Speaker C: I have neighbors that are like, if world War three happens, we're coming to your house because Mickey's in the military. They're like, you know, Mickey knows how. [00:49:09] Speaker A: To use a guy connection. Sure. [00:49:11] Speaker B: And I got the. And my. [00:49:13] Speaker C: What's the smoke show? [00:49:14] Speaker B: I'm in. [00:49:15] Speaker A: Yeah, but you're approachable and nice and funny. [00:49:18] Speaker D: I was gonna say, see, that's one thing. Like, as, like, I think I'll get a little older. And watching this film, it. That's in a way that it doesn't work and that the scariest person in this film by far, that all the neighbors should be afraid of is Bruce. [00:49:31] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but he. Go ahead. Well, his. [00:49:35] Speaker A: Okay, so his camo. His camo robe, his camo underwear. [00:49:40] Speaker B: His. [00:49:40] Speaker A: I think it's camo on his car. [00:49:42] Speaker D: That's for that. I I didn't. Missed it. I did not see what you're talking about. [00:49:47] Speaker A: You know, I'm talking about Mickey when they're spying with the. With the night goggles for the driveway scene where the guy. Where. Yeah, that guy brings the. [00:49:57] Speaker B: The. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Drives the car down to the driveway to put the garbage. [00:50:01] Speaker B: Like, it. [00:50:01] Speaker C: He has, like, an even, like, an ascot in his. [00:50:04] Speaker B: Like. [00:50:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a gap. Like, he has a car cover. And I'm pretty sure it's camo. I can't tell if it's camo or cheetah print. I thought as a kid he was wearing cheetah print, and because I'm colorblind, but then I learned it's camo. Is that a real camo? Like, is that real camo? It looks like fake camo. [00:50:22] Speaker C: Here's to me. [00:50:23] Speaker A: Because it looks like leopard print. [00:50:25] Speaker B: Here's what. [00:50:26] Speaker C: Here's what I'll say. If you ever work with, uh, the filipino military or, um, the, um. Yeah, most hear me out. They have a very similar pattern, so it must be like a Pacific island kind of pattern. [00:50:41] Speaker B: So maybe it's. [00:50:43] Speaker C: Well, in reference to that. I mean, that might be something they had in Vietnam, but it doesn't look Vietnam was, like, just straight green fatigue. Because what I see. And also, he's wearing a green beret. And I can promise you he was. I find a hard believe. They're trying to say that he was a green beret. [00:50:57] Speaker A: That's why I feel like that's a. [00:50:59] Speaker D: Missed thing in this film, that they don't have some sort of little jokey line or something that you find out that, you know, he was like. I don't know. [00:51:12] Speaker C: But what I was waiting to hear was, was that he has the odd camo, and he wears a green beret. And he wears the beret really dumb, too. That's not how you wear the beret. [00:51:20] Speaker B: Um, I was expecting him to be. [00:51:22] Speaker C: Like, the same thing. He did serve, but it was like, four years with, like, the coast guard. [00:51:27] Speaker B: No offense. Coast guard. [00:51:28] Speaker C: Coast Guard people. But now he has all the stuff. [00:51:31] Speaker B: But, um. But, yeah, but he's. He's not a green beret, because green Berets are, like, there's. [00:51:38] Speaker C: They call them, like, the. The silent professional. [00:51:40] Speaker B: Right? [00:51:41] Speaker C: They don't talk about their job. They don't do that. But they are, like, trained. Beyond trained. It costs more to get somebody to become a green beret than it costs to get somebody to call a pilot in the. In the air force or navy. So, yeah. So to be a green beret means you go through multiple selection courses, you have multiple training, and then you have a special skill set that it. It takes, like, six years to become a green beret. And it's physically and mentally torturing. [00:52:07] Speaker B: Right. [00:52:08] Speaker C: And at each. At each level, you are. You are being handpicked from a series of, like, the top of the top. So I just find it very hard to believe that this guy eating his. [00:52:15] Speaker A: Animal crackers is a green Beret little boy. [00:52:20] Speaker D: He does the tumble off the roof, too. [00:52:26] Speaker C: Physical comedy is on point. Bruce Dern is great, by the way, in the movie. I'm not. His character is awesome. He's wonderful. [00:52:35] Speaker A: You're not criticizing Bruce Stern's performance? [00:52:37] Speaker C: No, no, no. I'm saying it's like this. [00:52:39] Speaker B: This guy is no green beret, but. [00:52:43] Speaker C: He presents as somebody that you would in a neighborhood full of a bunch of, like, suburbanites, he would be the guy that all be like, oh, he'll know how to do it. He'll figure it out. [00:52:54] Speaker A: It's similar to all the toys and the gadgets. [00:52:57] Speaker C: And that's where I'm like a Brewster, because people are like, well, Mickey's. I'm like, I'm not that kind of military. I'm actually. I'm literally even called non lethal in my grouping of what I do in the military. I do public affairs work. [00:53:09] Speaker D: They went out of the way to keep on calling you that, too. [00:53:18] Speaker A: Your wife brings that up a lot, too. It's not lethal. Mickey in. [00:53:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:23] Speaker A: And I was like, your husband. [00:53:27] Speaker D: That's kind of the. Going back to the movie, though. That's kind of the funny thing, right? It's like, okay, well, brew Stern. Like, brew Stern is Bruce Dern, right? So he comes off like a badass. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:36] Speaker D: And he's got these, like, crazy things, like his little night vision scopes and all that. But then he's constantly deferring to his suburbanite neighbors to do a lot of, like, legwork and hard things. You know what I mean? [00:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's that. [00:53:49] Speaker A: It's that little boy energy this movie captures so well. So, like, these. This is. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Yes. You're. [00:53:55] Speaker A: You're making a mountain out of a molehill with these things. And it's just like, you know the scene where Bruce Dern and art, who plays art, a rob something. [00:54:07] Speaker D: Right? [00:54:08] Speaker B: He's hilarious. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Rick. [00:54:14] Speaker B: Rick. Ricky. [00:54:18] Speaker A: He is fucking brilliant in this movie. We'll call him art. He is brilliant in this movie. And, like, when art and Bruce Dern go to, like, get. Yeah. And Kerry Fisher is like, no, no, no. He can't come out. And they like, it's just. [00:54:39] Speaker B: Oh, God, so perfect. And, oh, my God. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Art is just, like, constant chaos and destruction in his wake. You know what I mean? And, like, his introduction is perfect. He's, like, shooting. He's shooting a 22. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I know what I mean. Yep. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Not a baby gun and a crow, too. [00:55:05] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:55:05] Speaker A: Like, really? [00:55:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:07] Speaker D: An issue. [00:55:07] Speaker B: And. [00:55:08] Speaker C: And the neighbor that is, like, walking in and eating your breakfast. [00:55:11] Speaker B: I just. [00:55:12] Speaker A: He's everything. He eats everything. [00:55:18] Speaker C: We have a neighbor that is similar. And again, I have to be careful with names and references, but we have a neighbor that will walk the dog. [00:55:25] Speaker B: And will show up. [00:55:27] Speaker C: And by the time that neighbor leaves, half of my beer is gone. If I had whiskey, I have the bottle. [00:55:32] Speaker A: Whiskey, Scott. [00:55:33] Speaker C: I'm like, come on, Mickey. [00:55:36] Speaker D: Do you live on Mayfield place? [00:55:39] Speaker C: Do I walk my dog that often? Am I that neighbor? Maybe I'm talking about myself. [00:55:44] Speaker A: You mean your son walk my son? [00:55:50] Speaker C: But I do have a very funny story of. [00:55:52] Speaker B: We have an insane. [00:55:55] Speaker C: It's, like, crazy amount of raccoons. We have a raccoon problem. [00:56:02] Speaker A: They are hilarious. I love raccoons because I don't have to deal with them, but I love their hands. [00:56:10] Speaker C: If you love them, you're going to hate this story. [00:56:11] Speaker D: Then again, raccoons suck. Yeah, go on. [00:56:14] Speaker B: But. [00:56:15] Speaker A: But they. [00:56:16] Speaker B: But we were one night fed up. We. We have. [00:56:21] Speaker C: We have gotten trash cans that seal down. I don't want to hear anybody tell me to put bungee cords on top. And all these other. [00:56:28] Speaker A: They got. They have hands like us. They have these things. [00:56:31] Speaker C: They figure it out. And they'd also don't care. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Like, right. [00:56:34] Speaker C: They'll just knock over. Like, they walk up to my trash can, and we'll sit there, and if I'm outside, they will look me right in the eyes as they take their hand and push over my trash can. [00:56:44] Speaker D: Oh, shit. [00:56:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:56:48] Speaker A: They cuck me, right? [00:56:51] Speaker D: High school bully, raccoons. Goddamn. [00:56:56] Speaker A: Here's the story, right? So. [00:56:58] Speaker C: So my other neighbor, Justin, right, he's. He's fed up as well. He's an actual, like, old school, like, western Pennsylvania native hunter, like, gatherer guy, right? [00:57:10] Speaker B: He's. [00:57:10] Speaker C: He's a man's man, and he's like, mickey, you got military skills? Let's put your military skills with my hunting skills, and let's just drive these raccoons away together now. And I was like, you got it. What do you think we do? Well, we live in a. We live in a suburb, so we're only allowed to have bb guns and pellet guns. You can't shoot a rifle or anything. [00:57:28] Speaker B: Like that, but you are allowed a. [00:57:31] Speaker C: High powered pellet gun of some sort. As we've already established, my neighbor has one. So. So do we. [00:57:39] Speaker A: Hold on. [00:57:40] Speaker B: Before. [00:57:40] Speaker A: Before you continue this story. [00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:43] Speaker A: I just want to put a little warning to the listener. Scrub forward if you are an animal rights activists or a vegan and you don't want to hear what I think is about to happen in this story. [00:57:56] Speaker C: Hear this. [00:57:56] Speaker A: Hear it. [00:57:58] Speaker C: No, it shows me it ends, in a way where you're going to be. [00:58:00] Speaker B: Like, these are not bad people. [00:58:03] Speaker A: So muscle, eat raccoon as I talk. [00:58:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:58:07] Speaker A: So eat as much as you can while you're talking. [00:58:09] Speaker C: I'm showing on my celery as I talk about. [00:58:12] Speaker B: But so we decide, okay? [00:58:14] Speaker A: So he goes. [00:58:15] Speaker C: He gets. He goes to Dick's sporting goods, buys. [00:58:17] Speaker B: The biggest bad pelican get on the market. [00:58:20] Speaker C: I mean, this thing is guaranteed to kill a raccoon, no worries, right? And we're like, hell, yeah. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Is that what it says? Guaranteed dick sporting goods. [00:58:33] Speaker B: This is. [00:58:34] Speaker C: This is back when Dick sporting goods sold guns. I should tell you how long ago this was. So we get together, and I'm like, okay. I go straight up camo. I put on my camo from the military. [00:58:45] Speaker A: Mickey. Mickey did the. I'm putting on the dark face paint sort of, uh, emotions with his hands. I wanted to make sure. [00:58:57] Speaker B: Yeah, he's like. [00:58:59] Speaker C: I'm rubbing on the camo, and I got, you know, I'm doing it perfectly. I mean, it's gonna be dark anyway, but this is even just better. [00:59:06] Speaker A: All you can see is a theatrical background. So it's like he's putting on the shine blocker, and he's like, yeah. You know, highlighting his cheek, moisturizing my lips. [00:59:16] Speaker C: We go out. [00:59:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:59:18] Speaker C: I get out there, and I have a night vision scope. So I get my night vision out. [00:59:23] Speaker B: Got it. [00:59:23] Speaker C: Got him sealed in. So you can see is like one wide of my eye and then one vision scope on, you know, I got, like, the mono. So it's just like one down. And I can see around at night. And I've got this high powered pellet gun. And then on the second floor, I've got my buddy stationed point at the trash cans. So I'm going to get him down at the low angle. He's getting him at the high angle, and we're going to take care of this one raccoon once and for all. This big, mean raccoon. [00:59:47] Speaker A: One raccoon. It's one. [00:59:49] Speaker C: Oh, okay. You're kind of jumping. You're kind of jumping ahead. [00:59:52] Speaker B: You're jumping. [00:59:53] Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay. [00:59:54] Speaker C: So we see him walk out. He walks over, gives me a look, you know, I think he sees me because I've got a freaking monocle on, you know? But he looks around, he kind of like, you know, gives me, like, a little. [01:00:06] Speaker B: Okay. I think. [01:00:06] Speaker C: I think this guy is got. He's up to no good, but I'm going to go for it anyway. [01:00:10] Speaker B: He gets up, like, palms the trash. [01:00:14] Speaker C: Can lid, just flips it up, like, real violent, you know, and that's not. But then that's when I see the. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Rest, there's, like, five more coming, and. [01:00:23] Speaker A: It'S like a posse. And by the time it's done, there. [01:00:26] Speaker C: Are, like, eight raccoons out there, all just, like, reaching in. So I'm like, that's it. We got to take a shot. And there are plenty to shoot at. So me and him both just. [01:00:34] Speaker B: We. [01:00:39] Speaker C: These raccoons don't even move. Doesn't even scare them. Like, they. [01:00:44] Speaker A: They feel like it's like. [01:00:45] Speaker C: It's like they've been thumped in the butt or something. They, like, look around like, what is this? Come on. And they continue to eat our stuff, throw our, you know, trash everywhere. They love k cups, these things. They love k cups. [01:00:58] Speaker A: They really do. Jacked up like caffeine. [01:01:01] Speaker C: Well, and not stepping, you know, like, my. My oldest son has pre workout trash in there. [01:01:07] Speaker B: Oh, no. [01:01:23] Speaker A: So. So. [01:01:27] Speaker C: We do nothing to them, right? All we do is embolden them. Right now, they're like. [01:01:30] Speaker B: They're like. [01:01:31] Speaker A: They're like. [01:01:31] Speaker B: They're like. [01:01:32] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [01:01:32] Speaker B: We. [01:01:33] Speaker C: They have now shown who owns the territory, and it ain't me. [01:01:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:37] Speaker D: They're icons. [01:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:38] Speaker C: They outfit me, so I decide. I talked to my wife, I was like, we're going to have to get rid of them. And I don't think that the pellet gun doesn't work. I said, not just that, but if that's. If it doesn't even hurt, the amount of shots that I do would be just so sad. I don't want to do that. [01:01:52] Speaker B: Sure. [01:01:52] Speaker C: I said, I'm going to look for a humane way to get rid of these things. Are you here, there, everybody humane. And for some reason, this is not humane, by the way. But there was something called a hand trap. [01:02:05] Speaker D: I know the, like, giant humane traps. It's, like, not that thing, is it? [01:02:09] Speaker C: No, it's a hand trap. They list it as humane. It is not humane. The squirrel reaches their hand in their hand, the thing closes on their wrist like a handcuff. [01:02:20] Speaker B: That's terrible. [01:02:21] Speaker C: And they're handcuffed to wherever that thing is being. [01:02:24] Speaker B: So I thought, you handcuff them, I'll hear them. [01:02:28] Speaker C: I'll call up animal control, or I'll go within my own cage. [01:02:32] Speaker B: I'll put them in a cage. [01:02:33] Speaker C: We'll send them off into the wild. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:35] Speaker C: To never be seen again. And I'll do it to every single one of them until they're all gone. [01:02:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:39] Speaker C: Well, I set the hand trap, and. [01:02:42] Speaker B: Then I fall asleep, and I go have a night. And then I wake up the next day, and I'm driving my kid to. [01:02:49] Speaker C: Um, school, and all I hear is this. [01:02:54] Speaker B: Wow. [01:02:58] Speaker C: I was like, oof, that's not good. And look behind me, and there's a. There's a raccoon that's been hand trapped for all night around a tree. And he is angry, and he is. And that tree, it's, like, almost sawed the tree in half trying to get away. So I'm looking at him, and he's. He's not happy. Or to she. I don't know. They're not happy. [01:03:18] Speaker D: Oh, you misgender that record. [01:03:20] Speaker C: And I thought, well, maybe I should go cut the hand trap. Every time I get close, it lunges at me like it is going to rip my throat out. [01:03:27] Speaker A: Sure it is. [01:03:28] Speaker C: Like, it is, like, straight up Patrick Swayze roadhouse gonna rip my throat out. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Uh huh. So, um, I decide what I need to do is I think that I. [01:03:39] Speaker C: Have to put it out of its misery. [01:03:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:03:41] Speaker C: I think that's the only way this is happening. [01:03:44] Speaker B: But I live in the suburbs, so. [01:03:46] Speaker C: I can't use an actual, um, weapon to dispatch it that you should use. So all we have is that stupid pellet gun. [01:03:54] Speaker A: Oh, God, Mickey. [01:03:56] Speaker B: Hold on. [01:03:57] Speaker C: I tell my friend I said, listen, dude, I was like, all it needs is one good shot in the right spot, and it will be over. Now, this is where you might want to fast forward. If you don't. If you don't want to hear about if you have trouble with. With the treatment of animals. It took him 21 shots. [01:04:15] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [01:04:16] Speaker C: To finally put it out of misery. [01:04:19] Speaker D: Weak pelican. [01:04:20] Speaker C: It is a weak pelican. [01:04:22] Speaker A: You didn't think maybe if I feed it enough, it'll subdue it enough and then I can do something with it then. [01:04:29] Speaker D: Well, and you gotta kill it, because, like, chance that raccoon loses its hand, that has a hook hand, and it's coming after you. [01:04:38] Speaker B: So. [01:04:38] Speaker C: No, but. [01:04:39] Speaker A: So that's. [01:04:41] Speaker C: Let me. [01:04:42] Speaker A: It is sad. It is so sad. [01:04:43] Speaker C: And while it was happening, both he and I started crying. Like, we're having a moment. [01:04:47] Speaker B: Of course. Awful. [01:04:48] Speaker A: You've been better off bashing it in the head with a bat or. [01:04:53] Speaker C: What is it? My. I think one of my. Either my dad or my uncle, somebody told me they. They have a trick where they drown them, and I'm like, I'm not drowning. [01:05:00] Speaker B: A bunch of records. That's bad. So. So. [01:05:14] Speaker C: So what happened was we. We call, um, his. His girlfriend at the time and now his wife, Stephanie. [01:05:19] Speaker B: And we're like, really? [01:05:21] Speaker C: Like Stephanie. We are. We are miserable. We are beside ourselves. I can't believe we just did this. This poor animal. So Stephanie then says, you both need to honor that animal in some way. [01:05:34] Speaker B: And so we. This is so dumb. [01:05:38] Speaker C: So him being the hunter that he was, he skinned that raccoon, okay? [01:05:44] Speaker B: He, uh. I don't know what he did with. [01:05:47] Speaker C: The meat of the raccoon, but he buried. [01:05:50] Speaker B: I don't think he did. No, I think. I think he probably, like, we probably. [01:05:53] Speaker A: That's the point. Always sunny in Philadelphia that, like, charlie eat. Frank tricks him into eating raccoon meat. He says it's human, and now they have the hunger for human flesh, and it turns out just a parasite because raccoon meat is riddled with parasites. [01:06:10] Speaker C: All they're eating is trash. [01:06:13] Speaker B: But. [01:06:13] Speaker A: But so he. So he buries the. [01:06:15] Speaker C: The skeleton. He keeps, uh, like the baculum, because that's like an Arkansas toothpick. [01:06:20] Speaker B: Um, but he. He keeps the baculum because it's an Arkansas toothpick. [01:06:27] Speaker C: I'll have you look that up, listener. Go look that up and write us on instagram once you find out what a baculum is. Um, so he puts the, uh. Um, he buries the. The raccoon. And then he does a prayer over the raccoon, and they turned the. The skin into a hat. [01:06:45] Speaker B: Nice something. Wow. [01:06:58] Speaker A: We honor you. [01:06:59] Speaker B: We honor you. That's so fucking sad. Fucking sad. Oh, my God. Yes. [01:07:25] Speaker A: We are. We are. [01:07:26] Speaker C: I consider myself kind of a Bruce Dern. [01:07:29] Speaker B: There you go. [01:07:29] Speaker A: Okay. Back to the fucking movie. [01:07:32] Speaker D: You might have a raccoon ghost haunting your house. [01:07:35] Speaker B: That might be a thing now. Yep. [01:07:37] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:07:38] Speaker C: You know, that. That was. That was like the woman who swallowed the fly. That was, like, one of those situations. You buried the raccoon. Then we got coyotes digging that thing up, eating it. Now we got coyotes you gotta deal with. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Oh, boy. So back to the movie. [01:07:57] Speaker A: This is the first time. Not really. This is the first time I saw Carrie Fisher in a movie outside of Star wars. [01:08:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:12] Speaker A: And I was like, she's great in it. Unreutilized, obviously. [01:08:19] Speaker B: What was she in drop Dead Fred also? I believe so, yes. [01:08:23] Speaker A: I think she was in a lot of stuff. It just happened to be the first movie I saw that you saw Princess Leia, you know, and interestingly enough, you know, she had this whole other separate career as, like, a screen. [01:08:37] Speaker B: I've heard of this. [01:08:38] Speaker C: Punch up. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Yeah, punch up. [01:08:40] Speaker A: Doing punch up. And an interesting fact about this film is that they did shoot it in order, and they shot it in order because they were working with such a talented cast. And there was a writer strike at the time that this sort of, like, finally got to, like, like, production status. So they couldn't have the writer who plays the cop who tries to prevent Carrie Fisher from getting past the police line. [01:09:08] Speaker B: Right. He. [01:09:09] Speaker C: That's funny. [01:09:10] Speaker A: They hired him as an extra so they could have him on set to sort of, like, bounce ideas off of them. [01:09:15] Speaker B: But like this. [01:09:17] Speaker A: And I believe Fletch two were the only two films shooting at Universal at that time because of the writers strike. Um, and, you know, Dante's thought was, I have such a talented cast. We'll sort of improvise, and we'll sort of, like, shoot in order so we kind of, like, see where the story goes. And I think it's. I'm curious as to, like, I wonder if Carrie Fisher was involved in any of the storyline punch up stuff, because she was. [01:09:49] Speaker D: Seems like a fine line of balance there. You know what I mean? [01:09:52] Speaker B: Mm hmm. [01:09:54] Speaker D: If you're Carrie Fisher, you know what I mean? [01:09:56] Speaker C: She's a writer. [01:09:56] Speaker D: This is a writer strike. And that's something that. It's got to come up. [01:10:01] Speaker B: I mean, is she a rat? [01:10:02] Speaker C: Is she crossing the picket line. [01:10:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I will say she really, like, takes, like, an underwritten part and really does a lot with it. She's really fantastic in this. If you watch her in the scenes that she's in, if you watch her when she's not the focus of attention, she is doing really funny, very interesting things. [01:10:28] Speaker C: He's also immediately when you. When you see her in the. In this movie, you feel like she's. [01:10:34] Speaker B: The adult in the room. Yeah. [01:10:37] Speaker C: Just feels like it's the whole time. [01:10:39] Speaker A: She has presence and. [01:10:41] Speaker C: And on. I'll say the same thing for Wendy Shaw. Yeah, that much. As much as they. As much as they wardrobe her to look like the. You could say the housewife, trophy wife, bimbo, whatever. She also comes in, like, the adult in the room. You know, she puts a lot more into that character than was probably on the page. And it probably is because you're letting. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Her improv and be. [01:11:11] Speaker C: Some bring things to it that are herself, that flesh out that character more than maybe what was on the page. Not to say that I know what. [01:11:18] Speaker B: Was on the page. [01:11:20] Speaker A: She was a. [01:11:22] Speaker B: Apparently in, like, a more involved script. She was like, a showgirl that Bruce Dern, like, marries. [01:11:32] Speaker D: So she is glad that's not in there. [01:11:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:11:35] Speaker A: You don't need it. [01:11:36] Speaker C: Unnecessary. [01:11:37] Speaker A: This is a very lean movie. I don't think you need to add anything to it. And speaking of, like, plot lines, I always assume every. You know, I. Again, I've watched this movie countless times, but I always assume that Hanks has been fired from his job and he hasn't told his wife. And I assume that that's part of the plot. And then I. As I'm watching, I'm like, oh, no, he's just supposed to be on vacation. And I think there's, like. I think that was a plot line that was cut out of the story that maybe was part of Hanks's, like, backstory that he made for himself. [01:12:18] Speaker B: Right. [01:12:19] Speaker A: Because there is this sort of, like, loaded thing of, like, I get, like, the idea of, like, I just want to do nothing. [01:12:29] Speaker B: Right. That's good. [01:12:31] Speaker D: That's you. [01:12:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:12:33] Speaker B: Thanks, dude. It is. [01:12:38] Speaker D: You like your little routines and stuff like that and have a good vacation. You even told me before a perfect vacation would be you doing your own little schedule at your own times, like. Like what Tom Hanks wants to do in this film. [01:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's like, it's. Well, it's different. Like, a vacation to me is like, I go to a house on a lake with a bunch of friends and, like, we swim, and we have fruit, and we have, like, like a big dinner at the end of the day, and we socialize. Kind of like what Mickey and I did this last two summers. [01:13:09] Speaker C: Wonderful, wonderful time. [01:13:11] Speaker A: That's an idea. [01:13:12] Speaker B: We did. [01:13:12] Speaker C: We did spy on our neighbors, and. [01:13:14] Speaker D: It cul de sac. But you get to talk about. [01:13:16] Speaker A: It was essentially a cul de sac. [01:13:18] Speaker C: Yeah, actually was. [01:13:19] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. You spy on them. [01:13:22] Speaker A: You spy. But I always assume that's part of the plot, and then it turns out that it's not. And I was curious if you guys had have that experience while watching it, that it's like, oh, this guy lost his job, for sure. He's not telling his wife. [01:13:43] Speaker C: No, I don't have that experience. I kind of take it, I take it on face value. I'm like, this is a guy that. [01:13:49] Speaker B: Has such a mundane life that that. [01:13:54] Speaker C: Even going up to the cabin is so routine, the thing they normally do, that he's like, just let me sit here in this space. It just feels like, I feel like my dad has a similar thing. Right. It's like, and I love him to death. But our summers were always pretty routinely the same. Go visit grandma, granddad here for this week. Go visit the next grandparents here for this week. Then if we have time, we're going to go down to Galveston, to the beach for one week as a family, and then come back, and then school should be starting to get ready. Everybody back to school. Both of them were teachers. They had their summers off. Um, very much like that. But I also can tell when he's. [01:14:31] Speaker B: Reached a place where he's, like, just. [01:14:34] Speaker C: Kind of wants to be left alone to sit at home, maybe play some golf, smoke, have a couple beers, smoke a cigar. [01:14:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:43] Speaker C: And because when he's taking everybody out to grandma and granddad's, he's on, he's working, he's providing for everybody else a vacation. This is his vacation. He wants to sit in the house he's paid for and have his cold. [01:14:57] Speaker B: Beer and watch a little bit of baseball. That's. [01:15:01] Speaker D: That's, like, exactly how my dad was. Like, he did not want to. Like, when we, like, I like, growing up as a kid, like, a vacation was like visiting family. It was never going anywhere. [01:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:11] Speaker A: Because Mike never went anywhere. [01:15:13] Speaker D: Anywhere. [01:15:13] Speaker B: Yep. [01:15:14] Speaker D: He wanted to just diddle around the house, work on little projects. You know, he did not want to travel. He didn't want to do anything. [01:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:21] Speaker D: So very relatable to me. [01:15:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:23] Speaker A: My father, who worked three jobs, his main as a butcher and his other two, as almost always a janitor. [01:15:31] Speaker B: Like, yeah. [01:15:32] Speaker A: He was like, I just got five kids. [01:15:36] Speaker D: Oh, my God. [01:15:37] Speaker A: And a wife who's going to school. It's like, I just. I just want some time, like, alone. Yeah, we were just talking. Just talking about before we started recording. [01:15:47] Speaker B: We're just talking. [01:15:48] Speaker A: Like, my partner Allie left the apartment, and I was like, I, like, I need to jack off or something. [01:15:53] Speaker B: I. [01:15:53] Speaker A: Like, I have the place to myself. I don't even have a kid. [01:15:57] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [01:15:58] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I understand that feeling, too. It's like, it wouldn't there. [01:16:02] Speaker B: It's. [01:16:02] Speaker C: It is a weird feeling of, like, I really need to be left alone. But then if I'm alone too long, idle hands are the devil's workshop for me. [01:16:10] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Like a. Like a 24 to 48 hours top is enough. [01:16:15] Speaker C: Is enough. [01:16:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:16] Speaker C: Then I'm getting myself in trouble. And I don't mean, like, trouble, like. Like anything real bad. [01:16:21] Speaker D: Raccoons. [01:16:22] Speaker A: 20 times raccoons. [01:16:29] Speaker D: Really becomes a problem. [01:16:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:32] Speaker A: But it is true. [01:16:33] Speaker C: I've been in that situation where it's like, I. You know, I deployed to Iraq many moons ago, and when I got home from Iraq, they were like, you're gonna be. We want you to spend two months really, like, decompressing. And within two weeks, I had went and gotten a full time job and needed. [01:16:51] Speaker B: Just. [01:16:51] Speaker C: I just needed something to do, because I was like, if I sit here. [01:16:54] Speaker B: Any longer being told to, like, just. [01:16:57] Speaker C: Chill out, I'm going to lose my mind because I've. I'm going to spend every dollar we have on something stupid. I'm going to start all these pet projects that never get finished, and I'm probably going to end up spying on one of my neighbors and blowing up their house. [01:17:11] Speaker B: I think. [01:17:12] Speaker A: I think if, like, if we're to cast the perfect world, this with us, right, Mickey, you're. You're Mark Rumsfeld. Your bersern. I am art, without a doubt. And sure, Chris, you're going to be Carrie Fisher. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:17:33] Speaker C: And Molly. Molly is going to be Corey Feldman. [01:17:38] Speaker B: We haven't. [01:17:39] Speaker A: I cannot believe is going to be Theodore Gottlieb. [01:17:46] Speaker B: You know, Ruben Klopp. [01:17:49] Speaker A: I can't believe we haven't talked about Feldman yet. I think Feldman's and Dern's intros are both fantastic. [01:17:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:58] Speaker A: I love Corey Feldman. In this movie, his part was severely cut back on. He was, at this point in his life, dealing with the fallout of, like, his abuse, his addictions, like. Like, being this big celebrity and essentially, being broke. [01:18:20] Speaker B: And I. [01:18:21] Speaker A: He was, according to him, very intimidated by the cast, all these men who were professional actors, and he was this sort of, like, ego build kid who, like, everyone who was an adult in his life outside of, like, Spielberg and Dante and those type of figures, like, the important people in his life were like monsters. [01:18:46] Speaker B: Right. [01:18:46] Speaker A: He was abused and, like, as a result, his parka cut back. But I think what he's delivering, you. [01:18:56] Speaker B: Know, it's not, I'm not going to. [01:18:58] Speaker A: Put it up on a false pedestal as, like, a great acting performance, but I think it captures what it needs to capture perfectly. He is, like, the voice of, like, youth culture in that moment. [01:19:12] Speaker C: He's also. He's us. [01:19:14] Speaker B: He's us. [01:19:14] Speaker A: He's the peanut gallery. [01:19:18] Speaker D: I have some real mixed feelings about that because, I mean, to your point, right. He serves as a bit of an audience surrogate, you know what I mean? [01:19:23] Speaker B: But then does that. [01:19:26] Speaker D: I was thinking about this on this viewing is his character, though, because beyond that, I don't think he serves a lot. Some jokes, of course, and some stuff like that, but he doesn't really move the plot forward in any way. [01:19:38] Speaker A: Does that take away talking about pizza? Pizza dude? [01:19:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Nikki cat being one of his friends. I see. [01:19:55] Speaker A: We'll get back to Mickey Cat. I want to talk about Mickey Cat a little bit. [01:19:58] Speaker B: Yes. [01:19:59] Speaker D: But my point being those, like, does his character serving as a bit that audience surrogate take away from, really, that should have been more of Tom Hanks's lead and that kind of be serving. [01:20:09] Speaker B: More in that role? [01:20:11] Speaker D: I feel like there's a little bit of that muddling because of that character being in there. [01:20:16] Speaker A: Muddling as, like, Tom Hanks is supposed to be the peanut gallery. Tom Hanks is supposed to be speaking. [01:20:21] Speaker D: He's supposed to be the everyman, and we're supposed to fall into his paranoia and we're supposed to kind of follow his arc, I think, a little bit more closely, but because of the fact that that Feldman's in there and does serve a bit of that role of the audience surrogate, it kind of waters that down. [01:20:34] Speaker A: Well, I think in the original intention. Right. Is like, like Hanks falls into feeding into the paranoia because of what he has going on, whatever. Whatever it is in his life is the boredom. Whatever. Right. And I think Feldman serves where we're at. We're not going to fall into the paranoia. [01:20:59] Speaker B: Right. Is that needed? There's tons of needed. [01:21:05] Speaker D: It's certainly. [01:21:06] Speaker A: It's certainly entertaining to me, and I love that he's in it and I like, like, I hear your point of view. [01:21:15] Speaker C: I always kind of thought of him. [01:21:17] Speaker B: As, as I'm not going to say. [01:21:20] Speaker C: Refreshing, but kind of like in like a greek play, you know, when you have the, the chorus, you know, they kind of come in in between Porter. [01:21:27] Speaker A: And Macbeth, you know, the drunken. [01:21:33] Speaker C: Yeah, the drunken Shakespeare play. [01:21:36] Speaker A: Right. [01:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah. But in between big set pieces, you. [01:21:42] Speaker C: Come to this, like, soft palette that. [01:21:43] Speaker B: Kind of echoes what you're seeing or. [01:21:47] Speaker C: Echoes, you know, it's like, this is what they're about to do. This is how this goes. God, I love this neighborhood. You know, it's like there's something to it that I do like. It's classic in that way. When you, when you, when you see. [01:21:58] Speaker B: It'S like, like we're gonna do a. [01:21:59] Speaker C: Big set piece and then we're gonna. [01:22:00] Speaker B: Have the narrator, whether it's, you know. [01:22:04] Speaker C: Charles Dickens or whatever, he's gonna come. [01:22:06] Speaker B: In and kind of. [01:22:07] Speaker C: Not that he is the narrator and that that is. It's not so traditional that it's that. [01:22:12] Speaker B: Forthwith, but it is. [01:22:14] Speaker C: I don't, it does not bother me. And I actually like, like, he kind of sums it up in the end as we, you know, fall into this rotating earth. You know, we come in and it's this small dot on a map. And then we go back out and we realize every suburb in every neighborhood in every part of America right now as having something similar happen, you know? [01:22:36] Speaker B: And that's what I take from that. [01:22:38] Speaker C: And I think that Corey Feldman adds to that aspect of it being like, you are watching a, a play. You are watching a comedy, a farce. [01:22:49] Speaker B: But we also want you to look. [01:22:51] Speaker C: Internally and realize that your neighborhood is the same. It's the same in every suburban neighborhood in America. You're all white, homogenized racists that don't want foresters in your neighborhood. And that fingers, that finger. I'm pointing back at myself. But I'm just saying, it's like, that's kind of where the movie could really have landed heavier blows, too. And I feel like they backed off. [01:23:15] Speaker B: Of it, but, yeah, but that's how. [01:23:17] Speaker A: You also, he's also very, like, prideful of his neighborhood. [01:23:23] Speaker C: Loves his neighborhood. [01:23:24] Speaker A: This is my neighbor tv. [01:23:27] Speaker B: And it's. [01:23:28] Speaker A: God, I love this lawn chairs he brings out. He has a date come over and he has that ridiculous leather jacket on. [01:23:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:23:37] Speaker A: And like, he's just like, I built this whole subplot of the film where it's like his parents, like, agreed to go on this vacation because he was like, yeah, I'll paint the deck while you guys are gone. [01:23:53] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [01:23:54] Speaker A: Like, I'll do that. Like, you guys aren't just like, that tolerable. [01:23:59] Speaker B: What? Oh, yeah. [01:24:05] Speaker A: All over the speaker. Like, he's obviously, like. That's part of the humor of, like, the subplot I created in my head of, like, he is doing the worst. His parents gonna show up and be like, this was a horrible idea. The house exploded. [01:24:20] Speaker B: He's fucking. [01:24:21] Speaker A: He had a huge party at the house. Fucking Nikki Katz was there. You know. [01:24:30] Speaker B: Let'S. [01:24:31] Speaker A: Let's talk about Nikki Katz for a second. I love Nick Katz. He's in dates and confused. Love Boston public. Wave, dark night. [01:24:40] Speaker B: He was. [01:24:43] Speaker A: Fucking fantastic actor. I love him in this. I love his ridiculous hair in this. Like, I. Like, he should have had a bigger career than he did. [01:24:54] Speaker D: Absolutely. [01:24:55] Speaker A: He's a fucking fantastic actor. He should have won super. [01:25:00] Speaker B: Like, I mean, I'm rock. [01:25:03] Speaker A: He is. He is. [01:25:04] Speaker B: Like, he should have had a Sam. [01:25:05] Speaker A: Rockwell as career, in my opinion. Yeah, no, absolutely wonderful career to be. Many decades. [01:25:13] Speaker B: Is. He's. [01:25:13] Speaker A: Yeah, he's had a wonderful career. I just like. [01:25:15] Speaker B: Hello? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You good? Okay. [01:25:21] Speaker A: Um. [01:25:24] Speaker B: Yeah, so, uh, can we talk to. [01:25:28] Speaker D: The garbage man scene? [01:25:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:32] Speaker A: Okay, listen to. [01:25:34] Speaker B: Listen. [01:25:36] Speaker A: Listen to our legend episode because, uh, we talk about, um, uh, what's his name? [01:25:46] Speaker B: Dick Miller. [01:25:47] Speaker A: Roberto. Robert Picardo. Legend. So we talk about Roger in a legend episode. Yeah, he plays, like, the ghoul lady who, like, is in the Tom Cruise, like, has to outwit in our legend episode. There's monster Squad episode. [01:26:08] Speaker B: There's. There's. [01:26:09] Speaker A: There's a connection to a, like, a. I had them written down, but my notes are totally not. [01:26:17] Speaker D: The actors that are in this are also in other films that you have done. Podcast. [01:26:22] Speaker A: Texas Chainsaw Massacre two. [01:26:27] Speaker D: Yeah, well, it's on the tv. [01:26:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:29] Speaker D: Whenever he's flipping around, I was like, oh, shit. [01:26:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. What a man. [01:26:32] Speaker D: Speaking of, what a channel lineup that he's got. [01:26:35] Speaker B: Because. What was it? [01:26:35] Speaker D: Texas Chainsaw Massacre. What else was it? There's, like, two other horror films. They're like, oh, shit. That's a hell of a lineup he's got. [01:26:41] Speaker A: There were the two obvious ones. One of them was Texas Chainsaw Massacre two. And the other one was interesting. That was a note I had written down. [01:26:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:52] Speaker C: I don't remember it. [01:26:53] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a more obscure film. Hold on. I'm so sorry. [01:26:58] Speaker B: Keep talking. Oh, no, no. [01:27:00] Speaker A: Okay, so I had this note, remember looking shit up in books. So when art locks hanks in the basement, right? [01:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:11] Speaker A: He's got that demonology book. It's written, it's not a real book. It's written by Doctor Julian Cardswell, who was a character in the british horror film from 1957, Night of the Demons. [01:27:24] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:27:25] Speaker A: In which he plays an american psychologist who travels to England to investigate a satanic cult. And Cronswell is the leader of that cult. And then the clip you're talking about, Chris, this obscure one is from 1975 called Race with the Devil, in which motorists accidentally witnesses a satanic ritual and they have to fight for their lives. That's sort of a blend going on. There. [01:27:53] Speaker D: Have an interesting little section there of the film. Like, are they trying to reference satanic panic? You know what I mean? Like, because that's. It's a few years earlier, so, I mean, like. But they would have been really ahead of the curve, you know, really kind of like possibly reference. [01:28:10] Speaker C: I think so too. [01:28:12] Speaker B: I think it is because, I mean. [01:28:14] Speaker C: They go straight for them being Satanists. [01:28:16] Speaker B: Right? [01:28:16] Speaker C: It's like, it wasn't even like it was a quick jump. It wasn't like they had anything. [01:28:21] Speaker B: But it's. It's art, right? [01:28:23] Speaker A: It's art. Who's causing really all this? He's the driving force behind what, what might be just individual thought because the catalyst. [01:28:33] Speaker B: Right? [01:28:33] Speaker D: Gatorade. [01:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah. He. It's. [01:28:35] Speaker C: He is the guy at January 6 that is like pushing, you know, through the door. [01:28:40] Speaker D: And he looks exactly like a lot of people that were at January. [01:28:43] Speaker A: Yeah, Bruce Stern was like a lot. [01:28:46] Speaker B: Of people from January 6, which, by. [01:28:48] Speaker A: The way, January 6 film, Rick lost, like, like a significant amount of weight right before this. He was like, really Louie Anderson. [01:28:59] Speaker B: Big. [01:29:00] Speaker C: He was Pee wee Herman, right? [01:29:03] Speaker B: No, that's not him. [01:29:05] Speaker C: No, no, no. [01:29:07] Speaker D: I'm Noonan from last action hero, a great film that Michelangelo loves last action heroes. [01:29:12] Speaker B: Not. [01:29:12] Speaker C: I don't remember being that bad. [01:29:13] Speaker B: I remember enjoying it. [01:29:16] Speaker C: Okay, Michelangelo's. [01:29:17] Speaker A: Give me that. [01:29:18] Speaker B: Okay. [01:29:19] Speaker A: No, no, it's just, it's. That's a whole other discussion. I'm not gonna say terrible or anything, but, like, it's the first time I was disappointed by a film as a child. [01:29:27] Speaker B: I didn't think it could. [01:29:28] Speaker A: Wow. Anyway, anyways, there's a lot of trauma. And there's a lot of trauma. [01:29:33] Speaker B: Oh, he's. No, no. [01:29:34] Speaker C: Rick Dukerman was Cindy's dad in scary movie. He was the one that's like. So, like. [01:29:42] Speaker A: Yeah, he was using a lot of. He was in some stuff. He was a stand up comedian. He's funny. [01:29:49] Speaker C: He's funny. [01:29:49] Speaker A: He's great. And he's great. He is fucking fantastic in this. Like, everything he likes. Would you, would you take your gum and throw it on the sidewalk of your neighborhood, let alone your neighbor's front house? No, that's fucking. Like, it's, it's. Everything he does is just. Yeah, just ridiculous. He's a ridiculous person. But this is why. [01:30:16] Speaker C: But this is also a reason why I say that this movie is operating on a level where it knows it's making fun of a certain type of person, making fun of a certain type of paranoia that can happen in suburban areas. And yet it totally does a 180 on us and says, and says, they're the heroes. Which is my problem at the end of the day with this movie. [01:30:37] Speaker B: It's like, it's. [01:30:39] Speaker C: I love everything about this movie, but why does it have to, like, sell out at the end? It really annoys me about it. But, like. But, yes, but the writers and the actors, they all knew who art was. You know, it's like they know that guy and they played him up perfectly. He's the annoying neighbor that's always stirring. [01:30:58] Speaker B: Up shit that thinks that he's, because. [01:31:02] Speaker C: He looks the part and because he has the right bank account or annual salary, he thinks that he can just go around being this way. [01:31:10] Speaker D: It's funny the fact that, like, they create a reason why Tom Hanks is home. You know, he's on vacation. You know, that's even called out by art. You know, it's like, oh, I, aren't you at work? [01:31:23] Speaker B: Blah, blah. [01:31:24] Speaker D: Took a week vacation. There's no even attempt to explain away why Bruce Dern and Art Rick Dukem are home that whole week as well. You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of funny. [01:31:35] Speaker B: It's like a. [01:31:37] Speaker A: There, there is a small explanation for arts. His, he doesn't want to go visit his mother in law. [01:31:46] Speaker B: That's what his thing is. [01:31:47] Speaker A: It's like, I'm not going to go. I'm like, it's like my wife is gone. She's going to go to her mother in law. She's annoying. [01:31:53] Speaker D: Like, I know that's why his wife's not there. It's not explaining why he's there all. [01:31:57] Speaker C: Day, every day, not working and stuff. [01:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I assume it's some sort of, like, holiday situation where it's like people are off from work during this time. That's what I assumed is some sort of, like, long. [01:32:12] Speaker D: Why is there a call out that Tom Hanks is on vacation? [01:32:16] Speaker A: Well, they're talking about going to the lake house as well. [01:32:19] Speaker B: Right. [01:32:20] Speaker A: So I think it's a combination of, like, he seems to have this vacation that's coinciding with, like, a long weekend, maybe. I don't know. This is just. Is just what's always been in my head. It's like it's Labor Day weekend or Memorial Day weekend, and it's like, it. [01:32:34] Speaker D: Does kind of have that vibe because of the fact that everyone's not working. [01:32:37] Speaker C: Nobody's working except for Corey Feldman, who's painting a house. [01:32:41] Speaker B: Yeah. Who's got to paint the house and the paint. But his reward is I get to. [01:32:45] Speaker A: Fucking invite chicks over to watch my neighbors. [01:32:48] Speaker B: Cool. [01:32:49] Speaker C: Let it buy my other neighbors. [01:32:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:32:51] Speaker D: Compliment that the hot wife next door doesn't have tan lines. [01:32:54] Speaker A: Yeah, no tan lines. [01:32:56] Speaker B: All right. [01:32:58] Speaker A: I like to imagine it's Donatello the whole time because he's obsessed with pizza. [01:33:03] Speaker C: Yep. [01:33:04] Speaker B: Yep. [01:33:05] Speaker A: He's obviously smart. [01:33:10] Speaker D: He's not a cool dude. [01:33:16] Speaker B: Go ahead. Go ahead. [01:33:18] Speaker D: On a rewatch, I was kind of curious what your guys thoughts were of. [01:33:21] Speaker B: Like, why do you think so? [01:33:24] Speaker D: Of course, you know, there's Henry Gibson, the doctor. Doctor Werner Kloppock. And then, of course, there's Theodore. [01:33:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:32] Speaker D: Illinois nazi brother, Theodore Rubin. And then there's Courtney Gaines. Courtney Gaines. It's on a rewatch. Why is there three of them? You know what I mean? Like, I was thinking about that. Like, it feels a bit unnecessary that there's three of them and not two. I know what your guys's thoughts were on that. [01:33:54] Speaker A: I felt like that was the perfect trio of, like, personalities to fit into those characters. I like, it's like, you can't have. I like that it's a brother, Theodore. Obviously, he's too old and too curmudgeon II to be bothered with having to put out the trash. And then. What's his name? [01:34:21] Speaker B: Hans Klopp? [01:34:22] Speaker D: Courtney Gaines. [01:34:24] Speaker A: Courtney, no. [01:34:25] Speaker D: Not. [01:34:29] Speaker A: Bothered with such. Like, he would be in charge of these things. [01:34:33] Speaker B: Right. So it's like that. [01:34:35] Speaker A: The hierarchy is like a battle between brothers, Theodore and Henry Gibson. As to, like, who's in charge, who's doing things. Like, I am the creative one. You were the one who work out the logistics. And then Courtney Gaines is, like, their. [01:34:51] Speaker B: Pa. You know what I mean? [01:34:53] Speaker A: He's like. [01:34:54] Speaker B: Yes. [01:34:54] Speaker A: Like, he's dumb to do anything else other than, like, what his providers tell him to do. Not that what a PA does. [01:35:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:03] Speaker C: But I do feel like Hans Klopp, Courtney Gaines character is, like, the manservant or like the. You know, it's like we're assuming that they are all. [01:35:15] Speaker B: Yeah, he's playing. Right. [01:35:17] Speaker D: Because in a way, I kind of feel like there's two of those, like, familiar roles between brother Theodore and Courtney Gaines just in, like, different versions of classic horror films. You know what I mean? It's kind of funny I had to shove together as two separate roles then to Doctor Boone. [01:35:37] Speaker B: Or it's just funny that it's kind. [01:35:39] Speaker D: Of, like, put in there. [01:35:40] Speaker C: I get what you're saying, though. I do do get, like, you would see, like, a Doctor Frankenstein and an Igor, not a, you know. [01:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:48] Speaker C: It's the three pairing that's kind of interesting. [01:35:50] Speaker A: Well, it's like a bride of Frankenstein thing where it's like, I don't have the cast list in front of me, but you got Frankenstein, the doctor. Right? [01:35:58] Speaker B: You got the. [01:35:58] Speaker A: The guy. I forget his name now, but he's the one who sort of, like, introduces Frankie, the monster of Frankenstein, to these, like, things. [01:36:08] Speaker B: Right. [01:36:08] Speaker A: And then you have Igor. I'm talking like, yeah, watch Bride of Frankenstein. [01:36:17] Speaker C: What are you. [01:36:18] Speaker B: You. Yeah, you philistine. [01:36:21] Speaker C: Brush off Brad Frank's. [01:36:22] Speaker B: I probably. [01:36:24] Speaker A: Let me look it up. Hold on. [01:36:26] Speaker B: Look it up. Look. [01:36:28] Speaker C: I, like the Michelangelo says it was. [01:36:30] Speaker B: Like, chris, what are you. [01:36:32] Speaker C: Gus mean, you don't know more about bride of Frankenstein? [01:36:35] Speaker B: So it's. Where is he? You see? You must buy him. [01:36:46] Speaker A: I can't. [01:36:47] Speaker D: Victor can't find the guy you made up. [01:36:50] Speaker B: Weird. [01:36:50] Speaker A: Byron, maybe. Very funny. [01:37:01] Speaker C: No, but, yeah, it's. It's like the fright night thing. It's like you got, you know, Chris Sarandon and his zombie guy. You know, you didn't need third. [01:37:09] Speaker A: But speaking of fright night, right? [01:37:11] Speaker B: This street, right? [01:37:13] Speaker D: Is it the same? [01:37:13] Speaker A: Iconic. [01:37:14] Speaker B: It's a. [01:37:15] Speaker A: It's the same street. It's a back lot at universal. [01:37:17] Speaker B: Okay. [01:37:18] Speaker A: Corey Feldman's house is. The Munsters house. [01:37:23] Speaker B: Is. [01:37:25] Speaker A: Some other famous house. The only house that I think is original that they built is the Coldplex house because they blow it up. But it's like it was on desperate housewives. It was in fright night. I pretty sure it's in gremlins. Like. Like, Dante was like, originally they were gonna, like. They wanted to shoot this, like. Like, in a very realistic neighborhood, but it was like, no, this is more of like. Like, you gotta think, like, the heightened states of everything. Like, the very tale aspect of it. It needs to be on this, like, like, place that doesn't really exist. [01:38:04] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [01:38:06] Speaker C: Where the yards look somewhat fake, right. Everything looks a little plastic. [01:38:12] Speaker A: I like, so you know, this movie starts. I like any movie that starts with. [01:38:17] Speaker B: A matte painting, right? Yeah. [01:38:19] Speaker A: And I like. I like the sort of like Indiana Jones esque beginning with the universal. Like with Paramount in the Indiana, you have the mountain and you go into the mountain. It's that whole thing. And with this, you have the universal thing. And we go. We zoom into this neighborhood that I think they're trying to make us believe is in the midwest somewhere. But, like, for some reason, always felt. [01:38:43] Speaker D: Like Illinois to me. I don't know why Chicago to me. [01:38:50] Speaker A: Like, just being an adult now. I agree with you. I felt it was like, because I grew up in the midwest, I thought it was a Midwest setting. But, like, there are, like, too many things that make me think LA. One of which is it might be. I think it's the alternate ending Mickey was talking about earlier, about when the Kloeplexer, like, I came out here, why everyone came out here, because people were supposed to be quiet. Like, in LA, no one asked us. [01:39:18] Speaker B: What we were doing. You know what I mean? And it's like that. [01:39:21] Speaker A: That being the city of reference makes me think it's suburb of LA. [01:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:27] Speaker A: As someone who's worked in, like, a Culver city, which is like, sort of a suburban area next to it, like Sony Studios, you get have these idyllic neighborhoods that I grew up watching in Teen Wolf and back to the future that I always thought were Midwest actually set in the LA. And it's like you have these, like, pockets of, like, suburban life, and then you're surrounded by, like, freeways and highways and. Pretty interesting, you know, Chris, we kind. [01:39:59] Speaker C: Of mentioned it earlier, but. But Michelangelo and I did a play called suburbia in school together. [01:40:06] Speaker A: Mickey, you did it. I wasn't. My big scene stuff wasn't in suburbia. So I actually, I watched you guys do it, and I was jealous of, like, I wanted to be a part of, like, that production you guys were doing, but I wasn't a part of. I wasn't a part of, like, doing a version of that. [01:40:22] Speaker B: But. [01:40:23] Speaker C: But one of the choices I made when we were doing suburbia, because there's one kid, though, the character I got, which is, like, literally one of my favorite characters I ever got to play was this guy named Buff. For anybody who knows Suburbia, you know, I'm talking about. But he's, he's, he's. He loves films. He wants to be a filmmaker, which. [01:40:37] Speaker B: By the way, now Nikki Cat plays. [01:40:40] Speaker A: A part in the film version of the. Of suburbia. [01:40:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:40:46] Speaker C: And Buff is played by, uh, fantastic actor. Steve's on. [01:40:50] Speaker B: Yeah, but. [01:40:51] Speaker C: But what I did with my buff was that I gave him, like, a surfer kind of vibe. And I. He's very similar to Corey Feldman in this film, just being like, dude, no. [01:41:02] Speaker B: What? [01:41:02] Speaker C: No. [01:41:03] Speaker B: And one of the things the teacher. [01:41:05] Speaker C: Came to me when he first saw me do that, he said, he said, why is that your choice? This is suburban Ohio. And I said, because I grew up in suburban Arkansas. And I'm telling you that these are the people we idolize this film. Watching these movies. [01:41:19] Speaker B: Those are the people. [01:41:19] Speaker C: And Corey Feldman was one of my references for that. I was like, these are the people that we watched and idolized. So, of course, I'm emulating that in suburban Ohio. And that was the only time that teacher ever gave me a good note where he was like, I love that. And I was like, okay, great. [01:41:33] Speaker A: And mind you, mind you, um, listener. And Chris, the teacher he's speaking to, was, like, the hardest ass fucking, like, most difficult teacher to deal with at the school. He was, like, known as, like, doctor evil. He was like, he was a very, very difficult teacher. So, like, if you. He'd call you out and, like, mickey was where he's like, no, I got a reason behind this. [01:41:59] Speaker C: Yeah, it was, it was. My whole purpose is like, I I feel like I know this guy through and through because he loves movies, and his heroes are dudes that are, like, from LA that didn't even know that they were playing suburban characters, but they brought their LA like, mentality to it, you know? [01:42:15] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:42:16] Speaker C: You know? And so it was this whole thing. And, and I do, again, I look back, I'm like, just watching the burbs is another time where I'm like, these movies are so influential on me as a kid. [01:42:27] Speaker B: It's where I fell in love, not. [01:42:31] Speaker C: Just with movies, period stories, but with the craft of it. [01:42:35] Speaker B: All right? It's like, this is people's living. [01:42:38] Speaker C: This is how people make their money. This is a possible job that you can have. This is in freaking credible. And to, to even. To even have a place somewhere and doing something that, you know, it's like, yes, I understand if you're a police officer, you're a fireman or something like that, your contribution to this world is incredible. But I do think there's something also incredible about a contribution. That is, you laid down a story that questions something like the others, but you did it in a palatable, goofy comedy way that people are still talking about 30 years down the road. [01:43:14] Speaker B: Right? [01:43:14] Speaker C: Like, you can't ignore that impact, right? You can't ignore that. [01:43:17] Speaker B: That is. That is something special. [01:43:19] Speaker C: So for me as a kid and now, you know, as an older person talking about these things, I look back and I'm like. I'm like, this is where I fell in love was during this. This run of, like, three or four years of my life of watching movies. You know, we've talked about it so many times of monster Squad, Ghostbusters. [01:43:35] Speaker B: Two. [01:43:35] Speaker C: Like, these films coming out in this era that I was being. [01:43:39] Speaker B: That I was watching, they shaped not. [01:43:42] Speaker C: Just my personality and who I am, but they also shaped my interest, desire, and, like, eventual, like, career goals and paths. [01:43:51] Speaker B: So tip my hat to Corey Feldman. [01:43:54] Speaker C: For giving me a little bit of. [01:43:56] Speaker B: Inspiration for, you know, for my performance. [01:44:02] Speaker A: Of suburbia showcase in New York City that didn't match. [01:44:08] Speaker B: That's awesome. [01:44:09] Speaker A: It matters. [01:44:10] Speaker C: It mattered to me at the time, man. [01:44:12] Speaker A: It mattered to me. [01:44:13] Speaker C: It mattered, man. So after that tangent, I also want to just mention that I think Tom. [01:44:22] Speaker B: Hanks's monologue at the end of the film is in my top Tom Hanks performances. [01:44:30] Speaker C: Just from the moment the house blows up till the moment that he throws. [01:44:33] Speaker A: Himself into the ambulance, when he. When that house blows up, the practical effects involved and him coming out with all that smoke coming off. Yeah, I think we've all, like, intimidated that float down the stairs. I've done it many times myself. [01:44:54] Speaker D: I still impressed by it. Like, yeah, I don't know how he did nail. [01:44:58] Speaker C: It's so just. Yeah, we have a joke in my house where I always will do something really stupid, where I'll accidentally run into the door or I'll, like, do something where I'm going to pour the water and I potentially pour on the floor. [01:45:11] Speaker B: For a second, go, whoops. [01:45:13] Speaker C: And then I'll pour it in my glass. And I always tell after I do something like that, and my family looks at me like I'm an idiot, I go, hey, man, physical comedy, it's the hardest kind. And there you go. [01:45:23] Speaker D: Good cover. [01:45:25] Speaker A: It's always good to explain to people the humor that you're express. [01:45:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:45:31] Speaker C: But comedy, because I. I do think the physical comedy is some of the hardest to do, and especially when it's subtle. And some of the Tom Hanks things that he's doing, some are not subtle, but some of the things he does that are subtle. And I consider that float down the steps just perfect. [01:45:46] Speaker B: Perfect. [01:45:47] Speaker A: Yeah, perfect, perfect, perfect. But it's just. [01:45:50] Speaker C: Yeah, it's such a nuancey extra bit that makes something so much more enjoyable that it has to be called out. But that stretch from the house blowing up, him walking out until he throws himself on the bed in the ambulance and talking with his face down in the ambulance bed, I like that little stretch. [01:46:11] Speaker B: Is. Is just, in my opinion, Tom Hanks gold. [01:46:16] Speaker A: Well, and also, that's, like. That's where the movie needs to end. [01:46:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:46:22] Speaker A: Is as soon as Carrie Fisher closes the doors to the ambulance, before we. Before the kopecks are evil. Before, like, that's where the movie needs to stop. [01:46:32] Speaker B: Mm hmm. Right. [01:46:34] Speaker A: We are the monsters. It's us, not them. [01:46:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:46:38] Speaker A: That's the message. That's the message of film. That's the. Before the compromises, before the studio says, you got to do something else. You can't kill Tom Hanks. [01:46:48] Speaker C: You get, like, you have to have. [01:46:49] Speaker A: Some sort of, like, bullshit payoff. Like, that's the message of the movie. And then, like, you know, you got to add that little bit at the end that I think considering the compromise that needed to be Nate be made, I think that's the best you can do with the situation you're in. [01:47:06] Speaker C: He delivers this epic speech to his neighbors. They all realize that they've been wrong, and they've done this thing too much. [01:47:13] Speaker A: Except for art. [01:47:17] Speaker C: Corey Feldman cheers as a beer to Mister Peterson for setting everything straight. The kids, the teenagers all cheer. [01:47:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:47:25] Speaker C: And then art sits there and arts, like, something has to happen with the. [01:47:30] Speaker B: Klopex, where arts, like, I. [01:47:33] Speaker C: My wife is an insurance. We'll figure this out for you. Where it's going to be his responsibility to fix what was wrong, I don't know, but how's the point? [01:47:40] Speaker D: That's hard, right? Like, how do you get a good, satisfying resolution there to it? [01:47:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's. [01:47:46] Speaker A: That's. [01:47:47] Speaker B: That. [01:47:48] Speaker C: That's probably the thing that kept happening with them, is that they ran into this. They had this great steam ship, you know, and they didn't have. Because the writer strike, maybe they didn't have enough people coming in and pitching ideas. [01:48:00] Speaker A: That's. [01:48:01] Speaker B: That's. [01:48:02] Speaker A: I hear you, but it's like, it. I think that's the compromise they have to make. It's like, you have to. Look, listen, the culprits have to be evil. Tom Hanks has to live. Like, they're like, we need a heroic. [01:48:17] Speaker B: Ending to it all. [01:48:19] Speaker A: We cannot have this sort of, like, better, but sort of like. [01:48:23] Speaker B: But don't you mean. [01:48:24] Speaker D: But don't you think that's just then more of a rewrite on the third act? Then that needs to happen. [01:48:30] Speaker B: Really? You know what I mean? [01:48:32] Speaker D: Like, I think that, to your point. [01:48:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:35] Speaker D: Like, that's the path that has to go down to, because you've worked yourself into that dead end. But if you redo it, I mean, I'm not coming up with the what it is, but you know what I mean? Like, I think you just would have to take back what exactly? The steps of the third act for that to happen, to give a bit of that. Like, yeah, we are the bad guys, but also, too, we haven't completely pigeonholed ourselves into blowing up their house and doing a lot of what happens in it. [01:48:59] Speaker B: It. Yeah, I. [01:49:01] Speaker A: You know what I think, really, my. [01:49:03] Speaker B: Pitch for the ending is, turns out gremlins. Okay? [01:49:11] Speaker D: Corey Fellman opens the trunk. [01:49:17] Speaker A: Gremlins. [01:49:18] Speaker C: And then it ends three. And you're like, oh, they didn't call it gremlins three. [01:49:23] Speaker A: Gremlins. [01:49:24] Speaker C: You're watching Gremlins three? [01:49:25] Speaker B: Yeah. By. [01:49:26] Speaker A: By the way, uh, Joe Dante's pitch for jaws three because they wanted him to do jaws three. Was a jaws three. Humans, zero. [01:49:40] Speaker B: Really funny. [01:49:42] Speaker A: It's funny. The guy. He's funny. [01:49:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Have you. [01:49:48] Speaker C: I have mentioned this probably before, but there's this incredible YouTube I got to share with you guys of Joe Dante doing an interview with, like, some young. [01:49:58] Speaker B: Science high schooler who wants to talk. [01:50:01] Speaker C: About the real science of inner space. And I have not seen this. [01:50:06] Speaker A: That sounds great. [01:50:07] Speaker C: It is like, because the kid that's hosting is part of some, like, well, you see some kind of, like, national Science Club honored kid that's doing this. [01:50:17] Speaker B: But he's so uncomfortable, and it's just. [01:50:23] Speaker C: You have to see it because he opens up, and he's so uncomfortable with Joe Dante. And Joe Dante starts actually telling him what questions to ask for the interview, and it is so funny. And the kid has obviously done no research into Joe Dante or anything. And so he's saying things that Joe's like, well, actually, no, it wasn't a financial success. [01:50:46] Speaker A: It was a poorly received film. And the kid's like. Like, most of his stuff. [01:50:51] Speaker C: Yeah, but he's like, but it's all about science. [01:50:53] Speaker B: He's like, well, I mean, there's. There were. [01:50:55] Speaker C: We did some science. [01:50:57] Speaker A: It's just very. I gotta share it. [01:50:58] Speaker C: I can't say it's hilarious. [01:51:01] Speaker A: Mickey, you're gonna have a lot of things to post to the Instagram account. [01:51:05] Speaker C: I got some posting to do. Yeah, yeah. As well as my raccoon hat. I'll make sure and dig that thing. [01:51:10] Speaker A: I don't think you need to post that. [01:51:13] Speaker B: Why not? [01:51:13] Speaker C: I think it's. I think it's honoring. It's honoring. [01:51:18] Speaker A: Trust me. [01:51:18] Speaker C: I'm gonna knock. I'm not gonna turn you to cap when you go, you know. [01:51:24] Speaker B: I'm gonna. [01:51:24] Speaker A: Piss on your grave. [01:51:27] Speaker B: Hey. [01:51:27] Speaker A: Whoa, that was harsh. That was hard. That was too much. You know, that's the, that's the Bridey Mary talk. I think. I think this would be. I think this would be a good hat, right? [01:51:39] Speaker B: Be. Okay, I'm touching my hair. [01:51:41] Speaker A: Listener. [01:51:41] Speaker B: Oh, no, it's getting it. [01:51:46] Speaker C: Yeah, it looks like it, like, receding a little bit. [01:51:49] Speaker B: Whoa. Hey. [01:51:53] Speaker C: Okay, it's not received. [01:51:55] Speaker A: I don't, I don't. Let's end this podcast soon. [01:51:59] Speaker D: Oh, no, come on, come on. [01:52:01] Speaker C: It's a joke. [01:52:02] Speaker B: Can we. [01:52:03] Speaker D: Can we talk about Brother Theodore? [01:52:05] Speaker A: Yes, brother. So like, definitely look him up. Like we could spend a whole podcast talking about his life. He's amazing. [01:52:14] Speaker D: But also, too, I would highly recommend, you can find on YouTube, he did a whole bunch of guest appearances on David Letterman, eighties. Yes, they are phenomenal. [01:52:23] Speaker B: Yes. Okay, okay. [01:52:24] Speaker D: And I also, I wrote quick, so he passed away, of course. 2001, the age of 94. His headstone known as brother Theodore solo performer, comedian, metaphysician. Metaphysician. Metaphys. Jesus, no. Metaphysician. As long as there is death, there is hope. [01:52:48] Speaker B: Wow. [01:52:49] Speaker A: The man lives through nazi occupied. [01:52:54] Speaker D: As long as there's. That's hilarious. [01:52:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:52:59] Speaker D: I just sign away his family's fortune. [01:53:01] Speaker B: Wow. For one, I forget the name of. [01:53:05] Speaker A: It, but it was like the nazi currency that was relevant during the World War Two. He signed it away. [01:53:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:53:15] Speaker A: Like, just look into his life. [01:53:17] Speaker B: What? [01:53:18] Speaker A: Like a. [01:53:19] Speaker B: Like he. [01:53:21] Speaker A: Man, I can't. [01:53:23] Speaker B: God, he's, it's, it's so he does. [01:53:27] Speaker D: These big monologues in which he talks about how great he is, but he's doing a whole bunch of self depreciation, depreciating humor. I can't say anything tonight. And it is fantastic. [01:53:37] Speaker A: Like he was. Oh, here, here it is. Like. So he got arrested and deported in Switzerland for chess hustling. This is after escaping? Yeah, it's great. Nazi death camp where he went to Austria and his family friend Albert Einstein helped him be immigrant to the United States. Then he worked at Stanford University, where he demonstrated his prowess at chess by beating a bunch of people. Then he went out to San Francisco where he was a doc worker. Then he played bits, bit parts, and like Orson Welles films and a bunch of b movies and a bunch of voiceover stuff, including the animated version of the Hobbit. Like, he's it. Like. [01:54:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:54:25] Speaker A: And that's just, like, the tip of the iceberg of, like, before he got into what Chris was talking about. About, like, his monologue career of these, like, long, crazy, like rants, but, like. Like, done on this, like, professional level where people would come to watch him perform these crazy rants. Very interesting person. He had a. Joe Dante talks about this. He had a handler, essentially, because he was, like, an old, feeble man when he shot this. And, like, they hired some 17 year old kid that they paid nothing to, to sort of, like, just make sure he helped him out when he needed him and make sure he was where he was supposed to be. And he was like. He'd go into Brother Theodore's trailer. This kid and brother theater would tell him about these things that he experienced in his life, which were heavy and mannix. Like, experienced Nazis as a jew. [01:55:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:55:27] Speaker A: And then, like, he'd come out of the trailer. This kid would come out of the trailer, like, in a fucking daze after hearing these stories of, like, these atrocities. And this is a time before the Internet, a time where it was, like, things, like, information wasn't so available. So, like, it's just very interesting. [01:55:49] Speaker D: Sense of humor is very german, too, which is definitely a lot of times, very darker than american sensibilities, especially at that time. I think that's a big part of it, too, probably for. Especially for a 17 year old. [01:55:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:56:00] Speaker A: What you were saying, right? [01:56:04] Speaker B: Death. [01:56:05] Speaker D: There's hope. [01:56:06] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [01:56:07] Speaker D: Hilarious. [01:56:09] Speaker A: I totally relate to that. [01:56:16] Speaker B: Have you. [01:56:16] Speaker A: Have any of you guys seen this with, like, an audience? [01:56:21] Speaker D: Like, in a theater or somewhere or. [01:56:23] Speaker A: With, like, a large group? [01:56:25] Speaker D: No, no, no. Just, like, family or, like, then, like, on this watch, then, like, I showed it to my wife this first time. She had seen it, that type of thing. [01:56:33] Speaker A: What was her takeaway? [01:56:35] Speaker B: She liked it. [01:56:36] Speaker D: I mean, very silly, I think, kind of to our point of what we've already been talking about, like, really, the ending just kind of takes out the meaning of the film. [01:56:42] Speaker C: It kind of. [01:56:43] Speaker B: Yeah, takes the wind out of the. [01:56:46] Speaker A: Sails a little bit. But, like, yeah, I think if you. If you have. [01:56:49] Speaker B: If you have context, you can be forgiving, right? [01:56:54] Speaker A: If it's like, oh, I understand. The studio wanted this. They had to, like, Dante's career is a lot of, like. Like, making compromisings, you know what I mean? [01:57:05] Speaker B: And, like. [01:57:05] Speaker C: Well, but I. Yes, I agree with what you're saying. [01:57:09] Speaker B: Like, for us, the three of us. [01:57:10] Speaker C: Talking about it, having that is. [01:57:12] Speaker B: But. But I think that. That even then, at that point, they. [01:57:19] Speaker C: Should have known that you're. I mean, because the ability to tell a story hasn't changed in 5000 years, right? [01:57:26] Speaker B: It's like. It's like we're not talking about a story. [01:57:30] Speaker A: We're talking about a Hollywood movie. There's a big fucking difference. No, I hear you saying there's a big difference. [01:57:37] Speaker D: But excuses for anything, though. [01:57:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, what. [01:57:40] Speaker C: I mean, like, just not good storytelling. To build an entire train that's going in one direction in the end, say, haha, they're right the whole time. You know what I mean? [01:57:50] Speaker A: I'm just saying. [01:57:51] Speaker B: I don't. [01:57:51] Speaker A: I don't blame Dante. It's like that. Like he was restricted. [01:57:56] Speaker B: Huh? [01:57:56] Speaker A: Who's assessing blame, Mickey? And you are. You're the complex. [01:58:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:58:07] Speaker D: There you go. [01:58:08] Speaker A: I don't think I've said their name. [01:58:10] Speaker C: No, you. [01:58:11] Speaker A: Like he said, code plague. Kloeplex. [01:58:14] Speaker B: It's the low pegs. [01:58:16] Speaker D: I'm not anything correctly night. So I can't. [01:58:19] Speaker B: It's. It's just. [01:58:20] Speaker C: It's just a matter of, like. Have you ever seen the movie us? [01:58:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:58:26] Speaker A: I haven't thought. No spoilers. [01:58:28] Speaker D: It's like eight year old film now. Fucking watch it. [01:58:33] Speaker A: Hey, I'm watching. I'm too busy watching the burbs. [01:58:36] Speaker B: Okay? [01:58:36] Speaker C: I said, is that. [01:58:39] Speaker B: But us builds a train that's going a certain direction and then I think. [01:58:45] Speaker C: It sticks its landing to drive home its point. Uh, this one does the exact same thing in a similar fashion. Using more humor, obviously. [01:58:57] Speaker A: But when it goes to stake its. [01:58:59] Speaker C: Landing, it goes, haha. The thing you thought you were on, you weren't on because we're going to do. I just think that it's really bad. [01:59:05] Speaker A: I think that it is. [01:59:06] Speaker C: It is almost. It is almost. It almost ruins the movie for me as an adult. [01:59:12] Speaker A: That's why I'm saying you need the context of, like, it's. [01:59:15] Speaker B: It's. [01:59:15] Speaker A: It's very unfortunate that Dante didn't have more commercial success so that he was allowed to be an auteur. [01:59:25] Speaker B: Right. The. [01:59:25] Speaker A: The fallacy of an auteur. And to, like, I get to make the movie I want to make. He was always having to make concessions. So like, that. That's what the ending is. So I don't blame him. Like, you guys are evilly doing. You guys are really crucifying. [01:59:43] Speaker C: I'm blaming everybody involved for allowing that to happen. [01:59:45] Speaker D: Real quick, though, too. Not only does the ending take the meaning of the film, it completely flips. It around, but also too. [01:59:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:54] Speaker D: It makes illogical choices. So the Klopeks are murderers, yet for some reason they decide to seek out to get police, and then they are going to, in the middle of the crime scene, abducted, murder the person. [02:00:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Why would he go into the ambulance? [02:00:13] Speaker D: That makes any fucking sense? [02:00:15] Speaker B: It doesn't make any sense. [02:00:16] Speaker A: But I will. I will say, I think that, like, given the things that they. Like. [02:00:22] Speaker B: Okay, we. [02:00:27] Speaker A: That's what Chris is saying. And I'm saying that I think they. The team, the Dante team does the best they can given the circumstances. I think they make the most entertaining version of this ending that does not fit in with the rest of the story as possible. [02:00:45] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [02:00:46] Speaker A: I think if you watch the ending of this without the rest of the movie, I think this is a pretty interesting short. [02:00:53] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [02:00:53] Speaker A: Like, this is fun, you know, but it doesn't match with the first part of the movie. [02:00:59] Speaker B: I think. [02:00:59] Speaker D: To get to my point, though, I think it's just like it needed another rewrite on the third act. It had to be. It was not working. It needed to be written. And maybe they couldn't because of the writers strike. There could be a number of reasons. I don't know. [02:01:12] Speaker B: You know what I mean? I don't. [02:01:13] Speaker A: I don't know if there. I don't know if there's an ending to this movie that works, that fits into what the studio wanted. [02:01:22] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [02:01:24] Speaker D: Why do you have to blame the studio trying to work? [02:01:30] Speaker A: Imagine entertainment. [02:01:32] Speaker D: You need to assess blame to them. Blaming Ron Howard. [02:01:36] Speaker A: Are you blaming Ron Howard? Well, his father was in this movie. His father was in this movie as like, the police chief. And I will say, yes, I do blame Ron Howard personally for a lot of the problems in my life. Actually, a lot of. He's connected to a lot of problems in my life. [02:01:55] Speaker D: Howard, funny enough, you would. [02:01:58] Speaker C: You would go after Clint Howard. [02:02:00] Speaker B: Wow. [02:02:00] Speaker A: You would. That's easy target, isn't it? I scream man is such an easy target. [02:02:06] Speaker B: He's the ice cream man. [02:02:07] Speaker A: He haunts my dreams. Boy, oh, boy. Okay, have we. Have we. This has been a long and rambling fantastic. I had a great time. [02:02:22] Speaker B: Podcast. [02:02:22] Speaker A: Podcast. [02:02:23] Speaker D: After all. [02:02:26] Speaker A: Do we have anything we want to talk about before we dive into recommendations? Do we have any other notes we want to, like, get into? Chris, you have your mouth open like, you're just like. Like eagerly waiting my balance. [02:02:42] Speaker B: Object. [02:02:43] Speaker A: Just these really object. [02:02:51] Speaker C: So much better. [02:02:54] Speaker A: Phallic objects, which could be any number of things. It's real. [02:03:01] Speaker D: I really liked. One thing that I don't remember from past viewings was the ongoing joke of the pile of trash in front of the. The Klopeks home. [02:03:10] Speaker B: Yes. [02:03:11] Speaker D: The fact that, like, you know, the garbage man scene, and then consistently, then throughout the course of the film, they consistently. Cars are driving through. This pile of trash is just getting stamped down more and more. Like, I just. I really got a kick out of that. I didn't remember that from past viewings. [02:03:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean. Yeah, that, and just, like, I think. [02:03:29] Speaker C: The humor's done really well. I know that a lot was improv. I think that that was, like, probably a thing that helped out the film in some ways because it kind of let Tom Hanks do what I think he is really great at, which is improving his own lines and his own way of. Yeah, I just think he's like the line with the. Where they're actually stamping down the trash, and I can't remember what he says, but he just throw these legs like, well, that's not anything I've ever seen before. [02:03:54] Speaker A: I've never seen anything do that. [02:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [02:03:56] Speaker C: Never seen would do that. [02:03:57] Speaker A: It's like, there's. [02:03:58] Speaker B: It is. It was. [02:03:58] Speaker A: It was really. [02:03:59] Speaker D: Yeah. [02:04:02] Speaker A: The music in there. [02:04:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:04] Speaker A: And like. [02:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's very funny. [02:04:07] Speaker C: It's very funny. So that's all. I just think that, you know, by and large, this is, like, 90% of this film is, like, firing on all cylinders. [02:04:15] Speaker B: A ton of fun. [02:04:17] Speaker C: And all the performances are good. There's not a bad performance in this film. [02:04:21] Speaker B: Absolutely. Robert Ricardo is even great. Dan Miller's great. [02:04:27] Speaker C: Dick Miller gets a zinger in there. [02:04:29] Speaker A: I love the two of them. And I love how Bruce Dern is like, when they're like, who's going to clean up this mess? And Bruce Dern is like, you're going to clean up the mess because you can. My taxes pay your salary. And it's like, such a perfect guy. Yeah, but, but also that, like, the moment he says that, it's like, oh, this guy's never gonna pick up this trash now. [02:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:04:49] Speaker D: Oh, no. [02:04:50] Speaker C: You know, it's also, again, a movie that's building up these people being the people that you live next door to. It's a joke on these people, but then it makes them the freaking hero. [02:05:01] Speaker A: That's the problem. That's the problem. Dick Miller. [02:05:04] Speaker C: This is why I hate cul de sacs, you know, in one way out, and they're filled with weird people. [02:05:08] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a great line. [02:05:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:05:10] Speaker D: That could be the tagline of the film. [02:05:11] Speaker C: I know, it's great. [02:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah. It could be called the cul de sacs. [02:05:15] Speaker D: I also want to call out Bruce Dern's insane slide tackle that he does. [02:05:21] Speaker B: Yes. [02:05:23] Speaker A: Courtney Gaines. [02:05:28] Speaker D: Like a soccer bully from the eighties or something. [02:05:31] Speaker A: Well, it's like, it's a. Like, I think it's. It's like an accident, right? It's like the. Like, Courtney Gaines falls because the house is slick from all the fire hoses, right. And then Bruce Dern is going to get him, and, like, he also falls, and it's like. It just, like. It's just circumflex. [02:05:51] Speaker C: Oh, comedy. [02:05:52] Speaker B: Physical comedy. [02:05:53] Speaker D: Purposeful slide tackle. You think it was meant to be? [02:05:56] Speaker A: I think what you're seeing is this, the purpose of the stunt. But how I always read it was, he's going to get him, but he falls. But then it works out because he's like, they're all. [02:06:11] Speaker B: They're. [02:06:11] Speaker A: They get tangled up in one another. [02:06:13] Speaker D: To me, it underscores something that I have thought a long time, which is, no matter what, Bruce Dern will get you. [02:06:22] Speaker A: I can't argue with that. Bruce Stern. Listen, listener, if you're. [02:06:25] Speaker B: If you're. [02:06:25] Speaker A: If you're doing something you're not supposed to be doing. [02:06:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Bruce Dern. Bruce Dern. Don't get you. [02:06:32] Speaker C: I also have to just mention for pretzels and sardines. Pretzels, sardines. And then Tom Hanks. Brilliant little. Yeah, like that whole section in there. [02:06:47] Speaker B: Love it. [02:06:48] Speaker A: Do you think he spits the sardine and pretzels into the paper? Yeah, he's pretending. [02:06:55] Speaker B: Okay. [02:06:56] Speaker C: Yeah, because he's. That's his. He's acting like he's got a big sneeze. [02:07:01] Speaker B: He's like. [02:07:04] Speaker A: That. That whole segment is fucking hilarious. I love how Bruce turned away fucking wallpapers. [02:07:18] Speaker D: And it's almost like, like, oh, shit. [02:07:20] Speaker B: And tries to, like. What was he thinking before? [02:07:23] Speaker A: It's a little bit boy energy. [02:07:25] Speaker B: I'm like. I'm just. [02:07:26] Speaker A: Oh, shit, what did I do? Oh, boy. And again, Carrie Fisher in that scene is hilarious because she's like, thing. Eat the thing. Like, you know, you got. [02:07:40] Speaker D: She passes on it and then immediately just gives him the look of like. [02:07:43] Speaker A: You gotta do it. [02:07:45] Speaker B: You have to do it. Yeah. [02:07:49] Speaker A: Do you guys. Would you guys, like, is a sardine on a pretzel disgusting? I don't think it is. [02:07:57] Speaker D: Well, so that's funny because. Yeah, it's. It was gross to me as a kid, as an adult. It doesn't sound horrendous? [02:08:04] Speaker A: Terrible. [02:08:04] Speaker B: No. [02:08:05] Speaker D: And, you know, that's actually, like, tinned fish is, like, kind of an in vogue thing right now. Like, there's, like, a part. [02:08:13] Speaker A: Dude, fucking get your omegas. Get your fucking dick hard. [02:08:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I know. I'm not against tinfish. I've had them. [02:08:22] Speaker B: I don't mind them. [02:08:24] Speaker A: I like anchovies. But I will tell you this. When I was in my early twenties, I was living in Chicago. A friend, very good friend, invited me over to watch, like, dog day afternoon or bullet or some. Some seventies classic. And I was always hungry. I was in my early twenties. My metabolism was super high, and I was poor as fuck. So I was living off of, like, green tea. And, like, literally there was, like, two months where it's like, I went home for Christmas, and, like, I took home, like, bags of shelled nuts because Italians eat a lot of shell nuts around the Christmas time. And I was just, like, every, like, for two months, I had oatmeal for breakfast. And then it was green tea that I stole from work, soy milk that I stole from work, and these nuts, that was all my food. [02:09:13] Speaker D: I wonder why you're hungry. [02:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah. So. So anyways, I go over to my friend's house. [02:09:20] Speaker A: We're gonna watch this movie, and I'm a starving, of course. And he's like, I got these sardines, and I got some bread. So I make a sandwich out of these sardines, and it's so awful, I can't eat it. I know. I don't mind sardines now. I, like, but, like, these sardines were so disgusting. Like, it was just, like, I felt so bad having to, like, I'm starving and I cannot eat this sandwich. [02:09:49] Speaker B: And I. [02:09:50] Speaker A: He's also poor, and he's also giving me, like, two slices of bread. It's, like, a big deal. [02:09:56] Speaker B: Sure. You know? [02:09:58] Speaker D: And how bad was it if you were that turned off by being that hungry? [02:10:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And I love anchovies. I love it. And certain sardines, it really comes down to, like, how the sardine is packed and. Sure, all that stuff. But anchovies, I think, are fantastic. [02:10:12] Speaker B: Uh, but, yeah, yeah. [02:10:14] Speaker A: I mean, it's like, the eyeballs and everything. It's all. It's all there. [02:10:17] Speaker C: I eat it all. [02:10:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:10:19] Speaker C: I also do love anchovies. I eat it all. I take it all. I take it all down. Yeah. I do love anchovies too, though. I love bala calda. Is that what it's called? [02:10:28] Speaker B: Balya Calda, the anchovy dish. [02:10:31] Speaker D: I know what you're talking about. I don't know the connection. Pronunciation. [02:10:34] Speaker B: I don't know. Ball you. Bala Calder. [02:10:37] Speaker A: I think ball. [02:10:38] Speaker D: Bald, occult is. [02:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:10:40] Speaker C: Ball ya. [02:10:41] Speaker A: In your call. Ball ya. [02:10:43] Speaker C: Then call you. [02:10:44] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. [02:10:46] Speaker A: Then call you. [02:10:48] Speaker C: It's my anchovy dish. [02:10:53] Speaker B: Okay. [02:10:54] Speaker C: Do I have anything else to say about this film? No, I'm ready to go. Recommendations if you guys are. [02:10:59] Speaker B: Unless there's anything else. I'm good. [02:11:03] Speaker A: I love raccoons. Just want to say I love raccoons. I think they're very cute. [02:11:07] Speaker D: Raccoons are shit, man. [02:11:08] Speaker A: Possums are what you should like. [02:11:10] Speaker D: I'm serious. Possums, like, eat ticks. They don't carry diseases. Raccoons do carry diseases. They knock on trash cans. [02:11:17] Speaker B: They. [02:11:18] Speaker C: They carry rabies, and they eat old ladies faces off. [02:11:21] Speaker A: So Marlon Brando. [02:11:23] Speaker B: So you. [02:11:24] Speaker C: You like things that kill old ladies. [02:11:26] Speaker A: Yeah. So my quick Marlon Brando raccoon story, if you read songs my mother songs from. Anyways, it's autobiography by Marlon Brando. In the book, he talks about he had a pet raccoon when he lived in New York. When he was, like, experiencing his first arc of fame as a theater actor. [02:11:47] Speaker B: He had a raccoon. [02:11:48] Speaker A: So look up stories about Marlon Brando's raccoon. They're very interesting. But one day at his apartment in New York, his mother has friends over. [02:11:58] Speaker B: For tea, and his mother is talking. [02:12:01] Speaker A: About how his son has this pet raccoon. And actually, it's very sophisticated to have a pet raccoon as a pet, like, and she's talking about how great they are, and this raccoon climbs up on her shoulder, and they have very, like, as we were talking about earlier, they have, like, hands like humans, really. They're very dexterous. And as soon as she's like, you know, they're very sophisticated to have these raccoons. As soon as she finishes this whole spiel, the raccoon reaches into her mouth and pulls out her dentures. I always thought that was a. That always story always tickled me. Anyways, so cut that lead with that. Put that at the top of the podcast. Chris, since you're no longer going to be on the podcast anymore, who do you recommend this movie to? [02:12:53] Speaker D: It wouldn't be me being here if you didn't say something like that. [02:12:59] Speaker B: Okay. [02:12:59] Speaker D: You know, this is not a perfect movie, but this is an incredibly enjoyable movie, and I highly recommend this to pretty much anyone. I think, you know, it's got. It hits all the notes. [02:13:13] Speaker B: I think that what Joe Dante, even to. [02:13:16] Speaker D: I feel like what he's doing with the material is something that is. I think he's elevating everything. And that's not to the point that I think that, you know, the acting, he's not working around any poor performances or anything like that, but I think that he is taking everything to a higher level, and it makes for an incredibly enjoyable watch. It's a very goofy, fun film. I think it's going to play well with. It's a great family film. You know what I mean? Like, it's a good, like, you got, like, a kid, you know, something that the parents can enjoy, the kids can enjoy. I think it's good for everyone. I was thinking good double feature. You watch this, and then you watch maybe not so much for kids. [02:13:58] Speaker B: Watch this thing. [02:13:59] Speaker D: Watch the people under the stairs. You got your suburbia, you got your inner city. You got this kind of same little comedy horror mix. The other people understood, of course, a little more. Lean into the horror. But that's who I would recommend it to. [02:14:15] Speaker A: That's very interesting. [02:14:22] Speaker B: Isn'T it? [02:14:25] Speaker D: Turns out that you can, like, you know, say something that's not glowing and still like something isn't that crazy. [02:14:30] Speaker C: Wow. [02:14:31] Speaker A: You know, you're feeling really attacked right now. I feel like you. You reply with an insult. Fucking asshole. [02:14:40] Speaker B: Wow. [02:14:40] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. [02:14:42] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [02:14:43] Speaker A: Mickey. [02:14:44] Speaker B: We get. [02:14:44] Speaker A: We have a talk after? Yeah, Chris. [02:14:46] Speaker C: I know, I know. I will want to consider miss Small. Welcome back. I know, I know, I know. [02:14:52] Speaker A: A little more. [02:14:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:14:53] Speaker C: It makes you want to blow up his house, doesn't it? You kind of want to go in there fucking like. [02:14:58] Speaker A: Yeah, but I want you to. In that situation. I'm art in your. [02:15:08] Speaker B: Ray. [02:15:09] Speaker C: I have no doubt that I would always be the Ray to your dear art. [02:15:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm going to. [02:15:15] Speaker C: I'm going to say. [02:15:15] Speaker B: My recommendation is I'm going to kind. [02:15:19] Speaker C: Of backpack on Chris here a little bit and just say that 100%, it's reintroduced this to your families. If you have nephews, nieces, whoever that is, younger generation. It's got some scary elements, but it's really not. It's a comedy, right. And it's meant to have fun. And I think that it introduces some interesting ideas. Doesn't always pay those off, but it does at least introduce some interesting ideas. And I think that it's. [02:15:46] Speaker B: It's. [02:15:47] Speaker C: I would argue that it is one of the best Joe Dantes. If you're gonna do Joe Dante, that's a tough thing to say. He's got some great movies. But. But definitely, if you've already seen Gremlins, you're a fan of gremlins. Well, you need to watch the burps. You need to just see more Joe Dante. So that's where I land with it, I think. I think this is like, come bring the whole family together and do a big watch. Maybe set out some pretzels and sardines so that, like, halfway in the movie they're like, wait, I get the joke now. Yeah, it could be fun. [02:16:19] Speaker B: It's a fun one. Michael, Angie, I agree with you guys. [02:16:25] Speaker A: This is a total four quad movie, in my opinion. [02:16:30] Speaker B: It's goofy. [02:16:31] Speaker A: It's fun. If it's Friday or Saturday night and you're looking for something that's going to reach multiple. Multiple quads, if you will. Yeah, yeah. [02:16:42] Speaker C: I'll show you my quads. [02:16:44] Speaker A: Quads. [02:16:44] Speaker D: I was gonna say. [02:16:45] Speaker B: What are the quads? [02:16:46] Speaker A: Chaz and feet. The whole lower body, you know, buttholes, vaginas, penises, balls. All of it. This hits it all perfectly. No, this is one of those. I say this all the time, but it's like, if you come into the video store and you haven't seen this movie, it's like, come on, you got to see this movie. This is great. [02:17:17] Speaker B: You don't get this. [02:17:18] Speaker A: Then why are you coming here? I love this movie. [02:17:24] Speaker B: I think Dante is being appreciated now. [02:17:31] Speaker A: More than ever, which is fantastic because I really do think he's, like, he should have had like a. I think of, like, Edgar Wright reminds me of, like, a Dante. I get that filmmaker. [02:17:47] Speaker C: I get that tones always. [02:17:50] Speaker A: His tone is perfect and he's. It's very specific. Like, you know when you're watching an Edgar Wright film, you know what I mean? And I feel like with Dante, you know, you're watching a Dante film due to its. Its humor and then the technical proficiency that he has when it comes to filmmaking. Anyways, that's. That's who I recommend it to, is basically everybody. I will say, have either of you guys visited trailers from hell.com or its podcast? Trailers from Hell is Dante's creation, and he took obscure, it started out as like, taking obscure trailers of films that he loves and doing commentaries for the trailer. [02:18:42] Speaker B: So it's like, not this two and. [02:18:46] Speaker A: A half hour long epic thing you have to listen to, right? So. And that just eventually turned into like, oh, I have this actor friend, I have this director friend, I have this whoever, and it's like, they love this film. So they're going to make this commentary to this trailer for this thing. So you got, like, you know, Guillermo del Tiro and you got like, just like all these different people talking about films that they love, but it's the commentary to a trailer that's only so long. And then there's also a podcast that elaborates upon these things in a longer form. But go to trailersfromhell.com and visit his website and it's very interesting and awesome. And I can't believe I didn't talk about this, but Arrow Video released the burbs on Blu ray in 2014, only in UK, and they had some really amazing extras. And then it wasn't until shout Factory. [02:19:47] Speaker B: And 2018 released it on Blu ray. [02:19:54] Speaker A: And it was a. It's essentially a transfer from the 2014 Arrow release. So if you're going to buy this, you want to own your media and you want to buy this. I recommend either the Arrow or the shout Factory release because those. The extras are fantastic and the transfer is really great. I believe Universal released it in 2016, but their release sucks. [02:20:23] Speaker D: Don't get panned. And I will say, I actually looked. I don't think you can buy the Arrow version in the US if it's, like. Unless it's, like, secondhand. So I think you'd have to buy the shout. [02:20:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Unless you have. I think you probably need, like, a different domain player. I'm not sure about the UK stuff, but. But shout factory, which I believe, Chris, you told me, is it shout that's having the sale right now? [02:20:48] Speaker D: Arrow, and it just wrapped up. It was an Easter weekend sale, but they had some good deals. I missed out, though. They sell a sweet new warriors version that they. [02:20:57] Speaker A: Yeah, they do. [02:20:58] Speaker D: I fucked up. I should have bought it. [02:21:00] Speaker B: They. [02:21:00] Speaker A: Did you see the. They had a video, like, video store, like. Like, release. Amazing on it. [02:21:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [02:21:12] Speaker A: Arrow video, shout factory. These are places that. That have come up constantly in our podcast. Like, own your media is something we've always said, and those are two places where you can always find a lot of, like, amazing releases with awesome extras and amazing artwork. We're not sponsored by shout Factory or Arrow video, but we would like to be. [02:21:40] Speaker D: Yeah, open. [02:21:44] Speaker A: That said, thank you, mickey, for editing. [02:21:49] Speaker B: The podcast for us. [02:21:51] Speaker A: He's our engineer. He's our editor. [02:21:53] Speaker B: He's our co host. [02:21:55] Speaker A: He's a creative influence. He runs the videos store with me from day to day. He's giving me the hands. Get it done. This was like. [02:22:15] Speaker D: He's got a nice hat on. [02:22:17] Speaker B: Thank you. [02:22:18] Speaker A: The wit. It's not made from Raccoon. It's, um. [02:22:25] Speaker C: I'm the strongest, most handsome. [02:22:27] Speaker A: Most handsome. [02:22:28] Speaker D: You are very handsome. I'm very ugly. You are very strong. I am very weak. [02:22:33] Speaker C: I can squat a lot of weight. [02:22:35] Speaker A: He can squat with the best of them. [02:22:38] Speaker B: What can you. [02:22:41] Speaker A: He can kill a raccoon in less than 25 shots. If you need a small creature handcuffed, he's got you covered. Where can people follow us on social media? [02:23:06] Speaker C: You can follow us on. On the old Instagram at the return slot. Underscore of horror pod on Instagram. [02:23:13] Speaker A: I gotta say thank you, guys. Thank you. I love coming to the basement after work and having a drink and talking about these, like, movies that I hold dear to my heart.